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Their mistake was not in dropping out. If a marathon is going poorly, there's usually little reason to finish it, struggling, and perhaps damaging future racing. Some very top quality elites dropped out this past weekend, including a guy named Merga. But that's irrelevant. What is most irritating about Biz (and the whole McMillan attitude) is their arrogance. McMillan asked for a faster pacer. Originally Pinkowski had the rabbit going through in 65:30-66:00. McMillan wanted 64:30, and asked for his own pacer, Martin Fagan. So Pinkowski didn't bother with the slower (more reasonable) group, and McMillan got his way - subsequently f***ing up a perfectly legitimate pace group in the 2:10-2:11 range. When you get down to these times, 1 minute here and there makes a big difference. And that entire group: Fasil, Carney, Nick A., Boaz, Young, two Japanese guys, Biwott all suffered and eventually dropped out. McMillan was irresponsible and selfish. Especially considering that his guys were simply not ready for that pace. Carney just struggled in April to maintain a 2:12 pace. Biz. has had nothing but trouble in the marathon, always going into it overly ambitious. Nick A. is probably the only guy in that group who was justified in reaching for a 2:09:00, based on his previous time in Arizona. But still, a 2:10 would have been another breakthrough for him. 2:09 flat was dead wrong. A lot of the blame for how this particular group responded lies in the lap of McMillan. He errantly persuaded his group to go out fast, and if they fell off they would fall off to a 2:11 or so. Well, that's not how the marathon works. It's just poor coaching. And unfortunately his decision/arrogance effected the races of several others as well. Kudos to Hartmann who had the sense to recognize early that the pace was too quick, backing off, and running a reasonable tempo to the finish. |
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Ok...except for the fact Carney and Fasil have been training with fagan and Mcmillian for the past 2-3 months. They were the ones that wanted Fagan and the 64:30 half, then Mcmillian supplied it. |
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Agreed, I perceive Bizuneh and Carney to have a rather arrogant attitude toward the marathon, considering that their PRs are 2:16 but they are constantly talking as if they know they can run 2:09. I have no problem with them having a goal like that, but they need to respect the distance first. I don't think they respect the distance at all. Neither does their attitude respect all the Morgans and Sayenkos of the world who have run 2:14, 2:15, 2:16 or whatever and actually performed better than Biz/Carney. These guys should try for a 2:13 or 2:14 before they claim to be ready for a 2:09. The marathon, unlike any shorter race, does not cater to recklessly fast first halfs. Until they understand that, they will be stuck DNFing. |
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They both dropped early enough that if they truly believe they can run 2:09 they can run another one in 2 weeks. I bet they don't. BECAUSE THEY CAN NOT EVER RUN SUB 2:12 |
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It was really frustrating watching Fasil on his flotrack interviews and such. They were talking as if 2:09 was actually going to happen - and where are the indicators? His PB is 2:16ish. McMillan talks so big about how his group is amazing after one performance (Gotcher), but what does he say regarding Fasil? and Carney? Nick? Anyhow, I'm a fan of these guys, just wish they respected 26.2 and 2:09. |
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they were on their period |
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Whatever arrogance was displayed was not necessarily McMillan. McM has Gotcher. Who you got? |
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people said the same about abdi after he ran about 2:17 in his first try, people said things like he is just a 10k runner, he is arrogant to think he can run sub 2:10, well he has since run under 2:09. i like to hear bizuneh, carney and others express their goals it shows ambition, that they are trying to better themselves, they are not content with what they have done. like the saying reach for the sky, you may land upon the stars, some will only reach the moon, but you will never no if you dont try. |
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People said the same things about Tergat and Geb even! Both ended up being WR holders in the thon. Yea there 10k wasn't a good indicator...right... Sometimes it just takes a while to get it right..and it's easy for things to go wrong. When Carney ran his 10k pr everything was clicking for him. To repeat that performance in the thon he'll have to have everythign clicking for him. it's not always that easy. |
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Um, FYI the marathon is not a person Biz and Carney should be respecting. It's an event. Shooting for a large drop in PR doesn't disrespect those in the 2:14-2:16 range. What is this holy obsession with the marathon? They're not burning images of the Pope. |
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I agree with you. There is no way that Carney and Biz would show any disrespect to a guy like Mike Morgan. They both know that he has owned them in the marathon. |
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