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not bad. Symmonds did well, too. 2:16.35
Not a bad time, for sure. But for the talk that he was really going after it, and wanted the pacer thru 800 at 145 (which KD did), he didn't really look to be going after it. He was well off KD's back at 800. I'd rather have seen him pushing KD out of the way and pushing only to die a horrible death in a valiant effort to hit 2:11 than to resign with 350m to go and run a 2:13. Maybe that's just me, though.
He went through 800m in about 1:46.3, which is at least a second slower than what would be required to break the WR. Even then, he only managed a last 200m of about 27.3. That tells me he certainly hasn't the necessary endurance to break the record. He needs to be a 3:30 -3:32 1500 runner and he clearly isn't.
Man, if you guys are killing Kaki, and by the way in NO WAY do you have to be a 3:30-32 guy to get that mark, what say all about Symmonds, how far back was he at 800 ?
trialswatcher wrote:
Man, if you guys are killing Kaki, and by the way in NO WAY do you have to be a 3:30-32 guy to get that mark,?
Yes you do.
1 KAKI KHAMIS, Abubaker SUD 2:13.62 WL,NR,MR
2 LALANG, Boaz KEN 2:14.83
3 SYMMONDS, Nick USA 2:16.35
4 YEGO, Alfred Kirwa KEN 2:17.60
5 SOLOMON, Duane USA 2:17.84
6 MULDER, Tyler USA 2:17.91
7 HERNANDEZ, Jacob USA 2:18.42
8 BROWN, Ryan USA 2:21.21
Question is why even run the 1K? The whole meet is screwed! 1500 ladies running the 800, 800 guys running the 1000m, etc. WTF!?
I may have been wrong, matbe you do have to be a 3:30-32 guy.
I thought Kipketer got closer than he was to the 2;11.x
I was way off I guess.[quote]
a 2 second bust is awesome
He was too cocky....
Why Why Why wrote:
Question is why even run the 1K? The whole meet is screwed! 1500 ladies running the 800, 800 guys running the 1000m, etc. WTF!?
run some various events to make things interesting maybe?
athletes want to run some nonspecialty distances to work on other aspects of their main race?
i dunno one of those maybe...
sooo) wrote:
not bad. Symmonds did well, too. 2:16.35
Yes, Peter Snell only ran a marginally slower 2:16 on a crap track in 1964.
Granted it's an event that is seldom run, but Kaki's effort trails only Ngeny, Seb Coe, and Steve Cram.
Wonderful company.
Was the 1k televised on NBC or did I miss it?
trialswatcher wrote:
Man, if you guys are killing Kaki, and by the way in NO WAY do you have to be a 3:30-32 guy to get that mark, what say all about Symmonds, how far back was he at 800 ?
1 2:11.96 Noah Ngeny
2 2:12.18 Sebastian Coe
3 2:12.66 Noah Ngeny
4 2:12.88 Steve Cram
5 2:13.40 Sebastian Coe
6 2:13.56 Kenneth Kimwetich
7 2:13.73 Noureddine Morceli
8 2:13.9 Rick Wohlhuter
9 2:13.93 Abubaker Kaki Khamis
10 2:13.96 Mehdi Baala
The only sub 2:13.0 runners; Coe, Cram & Ngeny are all sub 3:30 1500m runners. Of the other 5 runners under 2:14.0, Morceli & Baala are also sub 3:30 performers, while Wohlhuter was 6th in the Olympic 1500 final and a 3:53 miler. If Kaki wants to run under 2:13, he's going to have to maintain his 1:42 800m ability and be able to run 3:32 for 1500m. It's a much harder record than most people realise.
More to the point, people already seem to have forgotten what a freakish stud Ngeny was.
fiddle wrote:
Was the 1k televised on NBC or did I miss it?
it was not
wrongo, they showed approximately one second of Symmonds elbowing some guy at the start.
I'm kind of surprised KD didn't go for it himself. Maybe I'm being dumb, but I think he could have beaten Kaki today
slate burger wrote:
More to the point, people already seem to have forgotten what a freakish stud Ngeny was.
Yeah, right. 3:43 Miler at age 20, after only running for 4 years. Then beats El G in Sydney with lots of whispering that he subsequently tested positive for EPO.
Gets pulled from Kenyan World Champs team at last minute in 2001 for no apparent reason and runs only 3:32 and 3:50 that year. Then has a car accident which practically "ends his career", despite which he runs 3:33 for each of the next 3 seasons! Surely if it was career ending he wouldn't have been running at all in 2002?
Sounds a bit dodgy to me. 2:11 and 3:43 right at the height of the EPO era when it was undetected and a rapid, long decline once a test comes in.
Ngnuff already wrote:
Yeah, right. 3:43 Miler at age 20, after only running for 4 years. Then beats El G in Sydney with lots of whispering that he subsequently tested positive for EPO.
Gets pulled from Kenyan World Champs team at last minute in 2001 for no apparent reason and runs only 3:32 and 3:50 that year. Then has a car accident which practically "ends his career", despite which he runs 3:33 for each of the next 3 seasons! Surely if it was career ending he wouldn't have been running at all in 2002?
Sounds a bit dodgy to me. 2:11 and 3:43 right at the height of the EPO era when it was undetected and a rapid, long decline once a test comes in.
Ngeny absolutely tested positive for several substances in Sydney. He was let off for several reasons - officials didn't want to darken the Games with another scandal, they didn't want to ruin "poor Kenya's" reputation, blah blah. It was actually Political Correctness gone too far. Ngeny was let go with the stipulation that should he be caught again, he'd be banished for life, the Kenyan Federation punished, etc. The whole car accident story was another lump of garbage for the public. It's sad that certain countries, made of the right PC protected folks, can have their stars basically remain immune to punishment if caught. Kenya, Cuba, basically any third world nation that's on the ball with the folks in charge gets a pass. Once in a while they'll sacrifice some third level athlete to make it look as if they're on top of things. Europe, Japan, the US (except for top sprinters toeing the line) have to suffer the consequences if caught. Don't include fraud Ngeny with greats like Coe, Cram, Wolhuter, Cruz, etc.
Kaki today made Peter Snell look great.
Cram's race in the wind back in '85 is probably the best 1k ever run. On his own for the last 400.