what do yall think?
what do yall think?
According to Lydiad, they shouldn't be.
But some will complain that they are.....then, when the early reduced mileage fails to give them the base to make future WC finals, the same people will blast them for not working hard enough.
yes, there is fine line between working hard and doing too much it's just hard to mark it. Because your trying to save your legs while developing your mileage.
lanana says they aren't.....they need to do much more. but what does he know.
Lannana, the coach of many Olympians.
They arent doing too many miles at all. They should be doing all the miles they could, but not a lot of anaerobic work. Its the anaerobia that breaks them down. Lydiard says they should build the biggest aerobic base/threshold possible then add anaerobic fitness when their bodies mature.
the above link goes to a reply i tried to post on here but couldn't...
I think most high schoolers don't run enough miles per week. I ran XC for four seasons in high school. Most weren't willing to make the commitment to run 30miles-60miles per week to be good. Only like 10% of our TEAM was running at LEAST 40miles/week. Most newbies join the team without establishing a base during the summer time and expect to be able to run a 5K in 15:50. Therefore, most kids just quit because a measly 5K was too much for them. That's why high school football and basketball are so popular; you can be good at those sports without any commitment.
This is from the link...
Most coaches at the high school level are only looking at the quick fix in anaerobic training. They don't spend enough time building an aerobic base with their teams so that they can continually build each season.
One of my coaches had us do copius amounts of anaerobic work (25x300, 20x400, etc.)
This summer my coach had me do a speed session on Tuesday night (12-16x400 was the norm) and a tempo run on Wednesday morning (4-5 miles at 5:40 pace was an average tempo run). It became difficult to complete workouts and aerobic runs because I was doing those 2 sessions each week along with other anaerobic sessions they made us do (such as hill sprints a couple of times a week).
I have always been an aerobic strength runner. When running/racing/training on my own, my main focus is on aerobic training. There is some anaerobic training, but the majority of my training schedule is aerobic runs (easy paced runs, long runs, progressive runs, etc).
We were predicted to be 1st or 2nd in the county (NOT country) this year. 3 teams that focused more on speed endurance, long intervals, and aerobic conditioning ended up beating us at the county meet. Their training consisted of up to 15 mile long runs on Sundays, progressive distance runs (up to 10 miles) on Mondays and Fridays, a meet on Tuesday (that they used as a tempo run, running about 20 seconds slower per mile than they could going all out), a recovery run on Wednesday (4-6 miles easy) and a speed session on Thursday (5x1 mile was typical). On Saturdays they had invitational meets (these were run all out for the majority).
The focus for high school coaches should be on developing a high aerobic base. Then focus on anaerobic training only when it is needed.
I think not! My 6th graders were doing 30 miles per week in 1959. Now they would probably be lucky to be getting 6 miles per week. My high school boys and girls were doing 50 to 75 miles per week in the 70's. No injuries, very few dropouts, 41 scholarship track athletes in 13 years.
7th & 8th graders were doing marathons in the 60's. Many of them are still running.
Texas coach with 44 years of professional distance coaching experience.
as a 6th grader i did 25 miles a week, in 7th grade this year i do 30-35 miles a week.
the worst thing is that some 8th graders do 60-65 miles a week.
Neopolitan "Training Profiles" book showed...Not too much..The last 3 winners did throw in some high mileage weeks....
Worst?
duaneallman2 wrote:
Neopolitan "Training Profiles" book showed...Not too much..The last 3 winners did throw in some high mileage weeks....
You can get that book at
www.runnerx.com,
www.run-insight.com, or
www.joffroirunning.com/Book.htmlI got a copy and was amazed at some of the things these kids were doing (both with much work and little). A great book for the cost.
if kids didn't run back before cars refrigerators and guns
their bony butts starved.
we are genetically able to run vast distances at a very young
age..
oh yes...and they did not have 1" of rubber NIKEs on either.
AMEN!
Barns & Noble wrote:
duaneallman2 wrote:Neopolitan "Training Profiles" book showed...Not too much..The last 3 winners did throw in some high mileage weeks....
You can get that book at
http://www.runnerx.com,
http://www.run-insight.com, or
http://www.joffroirunning.com/Book.htmlI got a copy and was amazed at some of the things these kids were doing (both with much work and little). A great book for the cost.
Anybody know if there is a girls book as well?
I came from a high mileage high school program.
Our long run wasn't very long, only 15 miles but
we ran as much as 110 miles a week.
Our Girls team did 80-90 a week.
We did a lot of aerobic training. Intervals, strides, speedwork was mixed in one to two times a week but we did not race much. Well we raced ten times a year including Regions and State.
We have had very good tradition our program is one of the better programs in our state. I went to college and never ran more then 50 miles a week. Not because I was burnt out but because I didn't have to. There may be some burn out mentally but physically I am fine.
I am nowhere near my times in high school. I have gotton much worse. It don't bother me either. I know what running miles can do I just choose not to do it anymore. I am a small school division in high school but my times are just as good as anyone. Now since I don't run as much I am not as good.
So high schoolers running lots of miles is ok.
The reasom why so many high schoolers make big leaps in the season is because they are getting in shape finally and running is getting easier and so they get faster. How many college runners make a 5% improvment, depending on the race,
in a season? Some do, I know but it is the minority and that is because college athletes train.
I have just gotton lazy and if I don't have to run a 100 miles anymore I won't. I know I will get better but I don't care.