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Albert Caruana
New Fosbury Flop? 5/9/2010 1:14PM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Mrr82
RE: New Fosbury Flop? 5/9/2010 3:17PM - in reply to Albert Caruana Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Albert Caruana wrote:

You can see the video of this jump at the following link:
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20100505/SPORTS/100509747/1031/SPORTS07?Title=Kellan-flips-the-flop-


It looks legal to me...i can imagine how hard this would be to determine in real life without video replay though. But i can see him clearly jump off one foot.
flmomof5
RE: New Fosbury Flop? 5/9/2010 3:32PM - in reply to Albert Caruana Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I've coached high jump for 13 years and it looks like he went off 2 feet, which is illegal. Slow the video down and you can see the 2 feet take-off.
lease
RE: New Fosbury Flop? 5/9/2010 3:37PM - in reply to Albert Caruana Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
For years now, the interpretation has been that the "impetus" for the jump must come from one foot. The same ruling has been applied to gymnasts who can do a front roll over seven feet: even though one foot leaves the ground before the other does, both feet provide pushoff.
Monte
RE: New Fosbury Flop? 5/9/2010 3:50PM - in reply to Mrr82 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I call BS.

The mascot for "Analy" High School is the "Trojans"?

Based on some movies I've seen, I figured it would would be the Raw Dog.
doggpound
RE: New Fosbury Flop? 5/9/2010 4:10PM - in reply to Monte Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
thats f***ing 2 feet
DontFeedTheTroll
RE: New Fosbury Flop? 5/9/2010 4:22PM - in reply to Mrr82 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Why must the takeoff be from one foot? Obviously it's the rule, but why was that rule made? It doesn't make sense to me.
xxxx
RE: New Fosbury Flop? 5/9/2010 4:32PM - in reply to Mrr82 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The CIF ruled it illegal because he goes off both feet. Read the entire article.
ruleman
RE: New Fosbury Flop? 5/9/2010 4:33PM - in reply to Albert Caruana Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Two foot takeoff; Red flag goes up!
rsbones
RE: New Fosbury Flop? 5/9/2010 5:19PM - in reply to ruleman Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I bet he could still do it just as high if he switched to a clear one-foot take off. Just as it's easier to dunk off one foot than two, he should be able to do his front flip higher off one foot as well.
Dumbdistancerunner
RE: New Fosbury Flop? 5/9/2010 5:21PM - in reply to ruleman Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Why are you not allowed to jump off of two feet in the high jump? IS there any non-arbitrary reason (which is not meant to imply arbitrary reasons are unacceptable)?
Albert Caruana
RE: New Fosbury Flop? 5/9/2010 5:38PM - in reply to Dumbdistancerunner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
According to the latest post in the Santa Rosa Press Democrat, the technique is legal:
http://prepsports.blogs.pressdemocrat.com/12024/%E2%80%9Cthe-o%E2%80%99donnell%E2%80%9D-lives/

Albert Caruana
www.crosscountryexpress.com
lease
RE: New Fosbury Flop? 5/9/2010 5:40PM - in reply to Dumbdistancerunner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Dumbdistancerunner wrote:

Why are you not allowed to jump off of two feet in the high jump? IS there any non-arbitrary reason (which is not meant to imply arbitrary reasons are unacceptable)?


The idea was that it should be a *jump* as opposed to a *spring*. Or something.

But honestly, I think somebody realized, early on, that gymnasts would take over the event if two-footed takeoffs were okay.

In fact, there used to be a rule that said the head could not lead the way over the bar in a high jump. Babe Didrikson (sp) lost her "winning" high jump in the Olympics because of this rule.

And maybe there were safety concerns (about gymnasts' doing front rolls over the bar), as well. Similar concerns prompted the banning of the flip long jump. (If the flip were legal, the physics of it are such that the WR for the LJ would probably be over 30 feet.)
areyoublind?
RE: New Fosbury Flop? 5/9/2010 7:11PM - in reply to flmomof5 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

flmomof5 wrote:

I've coached high jump for 13 years and it looks like he went off 2 feet, which is illegal. Slow the video down and you can see the 2 feet take-off.



Seriously? are you unable to see? He jumped off one foot. It's not even close when it's in slow motion.
Mrr82
RE: New Fosbury Flop? 5/9/2010 7:14PM - in reply to flmomof5 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

flmomof5 wrote:

I've coached high jump for 13 years and it looks like he went off 2 feet, which is illegal. Slow the video down and you can see the 2 feet take-off.


Coaching for 13 years is irrelevant. He jumped off one foot which is VERY clear from the video.
Pad Berson
RE: New Fosbury Flop? 5/9/2010 7:27PM - in reply to areyoublind? Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
He jumped off 2 feet
The Judge
RE: New Fosbury Flop? 5/9/2010 7:35PM - in reply to flmomof5 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

flmomof5 wrote:

I've coached high jump for 13 years and it looks like he went off 2 feet, which is illegal. Slow the video down and you can see the 2 feet take-off.


No. That is false. Pause the video at 27 seconds and you will clearly see the left foot a good 8 inches off the ground while the right foot is still in contact.
lease
RE: New Fosbury Flop? 5/9/2010 7:39PM - in reply to lease Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
To repeat:


lease wrote:

For years now, the interpretation has been that the "impetus" for the jump must come from one foot. The same ruling has been applied to gymnasts who can do a front roll over seven feet: even though one foot leaves the ground before the other does, both feet provide pushoff.
Mrr82
RE: New Fosbury Flop? 5/9/2010 7:59PM - in reply to lease Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

lease wrote:

To repeat:

[quote]lease wrote:

For years now, the interpretation has been that the "impetus" for the jump must come from one foot. The same ruling has been applied to gymnasts who can do a front roll over seven feet: even though one foot leaves the ground before the other does, both feet provide pushoff.
[/quote]

The ruling has been reversed...so not sure why you are repeating yourself?

That may be what most have ruled in the past...although i'm not sure how often or when this would have come up in a competition with judges who actually know what they are doing.

If the rule simply states you must jump off one foot, i think he fulfilled that.
rsbones
RE: New Fosbury Flop? 5/9/2010 8:02PM - in reply to The Judge Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

The Judge wrote:
No. That is false. Pause the video at 27 seconds and you will clearly see the left foot a good 8 inches off the ground while the right foot is still in contact.


Sorry, but you are unclear on the rule. The rule doesn't just require that one foot come off the ground first. The rule is that when the athlete starts to spring up, only one foot can be in contact with the ground. He can only use the power of one leg/foot, not both. And since it's clear that both of his legs contribute to his springing off the ground, the jump is in violation.
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