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This is actually a good question. I doubt it, but there are a ton of sub 45 guys in history.
Coe has a 45.5 relay split
Coe is probably the closest if you count his 45.5 anchor split. His open 400 m best was about 46.8.
Can someone do the whole what does a 44.99 400m & a 3:59.99 Mile pr suggest someone is capable of in an 800m? I'd guess it'd be something silly like 1:39, although I could see someone who broke 45 when they were younger move up to the 800m and eventually the 1500m (maybe a Mark Everett? Johnny Gray? Could David Rudisha eventually?).
Training isn't everything...genetics is...
Someone born with the speed to eventually train to run sub 45 will never be able to train to have the endurance to run sub 4:00.
229 people have EVER run 45.0 or better:
http://www.apulanta.fi/matti/yu/alltime/3_Men.html
List of US sub 4:00 miles to 2004:
http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/archive/ussub4s.html
List of all International and USA sub 4:00 miles to 2002:
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~rsparks/sub4-nam.htm
So just paste in an excel file and cross reference using V LOOKUP. Have fun.
Alan
Wonder what Juantorena could have done in the mile. Big guy but still.....
Another who could come close is Bucher
46.32
1:42
3:38
<45 is not easy. Of the 1586 <45 performances, 850 are by US runners. 75% of all performances are from US, JAM, UK and Cuba.
61% of individual athletes come from these countries.
A total of 42 nations have produced <45 runners. 21 of these have only 1 athlete. Only 3 have 10 or more (US JAM UK). The US has 103.
The US is used to thinking its "commonplace" when its actually extraordinary
the <1:45/<45 combo is equally rare
Juantorena 1:43.44/44.26
Mark Everett 1:43.20/44.59
Hendrik Mokganyetsi 1:44.62/44.59
Harald Schmid 1:44.82/44.92
So of those 103 Americans who have gone <45, only *1* has gone under 1:45
(not to change the subject but)....Faced w/ those odds, why would Wariner consider moving up?
Borza off 1500m conversion probably the closest:
400 Metres 45.84
800 Metres 1:42.57
1500 Metres 3:41.53 (indoor)
I am pretty sure there is only one.
I know Alberto Juantorena ran some 1500s later in his career and I am pretty sure some of his races were sub 4:00 mile conversions.
None of the world class milers could break 46 in an open 400, few under 47
I don't recall his specific times, but Jim Kemp impressed me as someone who could have done both, had he focused on the mile for while. I saw him running several repeat 440's in 48 seconds. he had no trouble at all with them and was very relaxed. Granted that is not a mile but he did run the mile and cross country in high school. Also he was a great fellow to talk with.
How about David Rudisha?
400 PR is 45.50
800 PR is 1:42.01
I wouldn't be suprised to see him run a 1500 or a mile someday. He could possibly also have the talent to break 45 as well. He ran that 45.5 a few months ago
David Rudisha could do it. He has run hardly any 400's, but ran 45.5 recently. And of course he has run 1:42.01.
So with the right training and focus, he certainly could sneak under 45, and then focus in the other direction for a bit could likely break 4:00.
And that is why he is a 1:42.01 runner who might break 1:41 someday. Yes, to run near 1:40, you GOT to have close to 45 speed AND sub 4:00 mile endurance.
Kipketer was as pure an 800 guy as you will find. However, without ever really giving other events a try, he ran a 46.8 400, and also broke the 4:00 mile. If he had focused even a bit on the 400, he likely could have dipped under, or run, 46-flat.
So again, this question of:
Has anyone run sub 4:00 and run sub 45? Of course not, because that person would have run 1:40 in the 800. So with all due respect to the nice guy "Jim Kemp" (?) and his workouts, no, he could not have run sub 45 and sub 4:00. Because if he had that ability, he would have been, or damn close to it, a 1:40/1:41 guy and gold medalist in the 800.
What about Mark Everett who ran 1:43.20 and 44.59? Is it a stretch to think, though I'm sure he never did it, that he could've run 3:59.99? I think Rudisha probably is the best candidate to eventually be able to do this.
UncleB wrote:
I know Alberto Juantorena ran some 1500s later in his career and I am pretty sure some of his races were sub 4:00 mile conversions.
Ummmm....
....no
German Muenster wrote:
with all due respect to the nice guy "Jim Kemp" (?) and his workouts, no, he could not have run sub 45 and sub 4:00. Because if he had that ability, he would have been, or damn close to it, a 1:40/1:41 guy and gold medalist in the 800.
You're probably right. I just looked up some of his times that I'd jotted down previously, not sure if they were his bests: 20.6 (1972) and 20.9 in different years, 45.2, 1:48.7 in 1968. Surely he would not have come anywhere close to 4 minutes.
what about kipketer? he could just barely break 4:00 and ran 1:41.11 so he must have been in the low 45s
earl jones had personal best's of
400-46.33
800-1:43.8
1500-3:36
mile-3:58
his career ended early when he was badly hurt in a car crash.
46.33 is a ways from sub 45, but he rarely ran the 400 and was improving.
One guy that might have had the potential was Cliff West. Golden West champ in the mile in 1968, and Olympic Trial finalist in the 1500 in 1972, he switched to the 200m in 1977 and ran 20.56.
I can't find any more results of his which bolsters the suspicion that the 20.56 was a dubious or otherwise mixup of identity.