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Precious Roy
RE: NYRR are crybabies 4/13/2010 11:02AM - in reply to obviously there is something Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I went to the 2007 trials. It was good, but not great. The crowds were not what you would expect having the trials while 45000 marathoners were in town and 1.8 million people were just a short subway ride from the course. If you were the family of a trialist or just wanted to see the trials, you had to pay at least 300 a night to stay on Manhattan island. 300 a day in Houston can get you a hotel, rental car, and 3 meals for a family of 4.

The NY marathon is so huge that it almost overshadows the trials. And it might be too soon to have another NY trials after the Ryan Shay tragedy.

In short, NY is a good place to have the trials, but in no way is such an amazing place for the trials that it should have some sort of entitlement to them.
Water tables are a pain
RE: NYRR are crybabies 4/13/2010 11:16AM - in reply to jjjjjjjjjjjj Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
jjjjjjjjjjjj wrote:

2:44 would be an olympic trials qualifier in every or almost all olympic cycles.



Yes, but she had no hope of winning and no chance in the Olympics, so why bother running the trials.
cjm
RE: NYRR are crybabies 4/13/2010 11:21AM - in reply to Older than prime Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Absolutely agree. NYRR, get over yourselves. yeah, you do a good job but other marathons do a great job too. Also, Berlin is a great marathon for those athletes who take the opportunity to run abroad for a change.
hardset nipples
RE: NYRR are crybabies 4/13/2010 11:24AM - in reply to Water tables are a pain Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Water tables are a pain wrote:

[quote]jjjjjjjjjjjj wrote:

2:44 would be an olympic trials qualifier in every or almost all olympic cycles.



Yes, but she had no hope of winning and no chance in the Olympics, so why bother running the trials.[/quote]

Right, she'd be one of those B qualifiers that she seems so fond of maligning.
The Maligner
RE: NYRR are crybabies 4/13/2010 11:37AM - in reply to hardset nipples Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I thought that was Latimer.
The Stache
RE: NYRR are crybabies 4/13/2010 11:38AM - in reply to potato Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
potato wrote:

I like the part where she says that the trials should be in New York because everyone is used to doing marathons in November, not January. Meanwhile, the Olympic Marathon is in August, which is not exactly a "traditional" marathon date either.


This: "Distance runners are not gearing up for January ever," she said. "These are all people who train for a spring and a fall. Not that they can't break out of that, but why not go with what they know and have been doing year in and year out"

Tell that to Deriba Merga, Mr. 2:08 Houston Marathon course record holder. sheesh
hardset nipples
RE: NYRR are crybabies 4/13/2010 11:50AM - in reply to The Stache Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Rodgers and Durden (among others) ran Houston back in the day, it's not that tough for a pro to accommodate. Myopic Mary only cares about the sport insofar as what her organization's contributions do to benefit said organization, NYRR doesn't do anything for the sport that isn't intended to ultimately bring something back to NYRR.

The Stache wrote:

[quote]potato wrote:

I like the part where she says that the trials should be in New York because everyone is used to doing marathons in November, not January. Meanwhile, the Olympic Marathon is in August, which is not exactly a "traditional" marathon date either.


This: "Distance runners are not gearing up for January ever," she said. "These are all people who train for a spring and a fall. Not that they can't break out of that, but why not go with what they know and have been doing year in and year out"

Tell that to Deriba Merga, Mr. 2:08 Houston Marathon course record holder. sheesh[/quote]
wwwwwwww
RE: NYRR are crybabies 4/13/2010 12:38PM - in reply to hardset nipples Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
MW knew that Houston was a serious bidder, and Logan even told her to up her bid when he probably should not have. Yet NYC didn't get the trials. Either that's a huge screwup, or NYRR decided a long time ago they didn't want the trials.
Yanqui
RE: NYRR are crybabies 4/13/2010 1:22PM - in reply to wwwwwwww Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Well, if NYC was willing to go up to $1 million for one Trials and Houston was bidding $1.7 million for both, it's pretty obvious Houston's bid was contingent on its hosting BOTH Trials...that it wasn't interested in just one, that it was a take it or leave it kind of thing.
I don't dispute the notion that NYC is full of itself. But the fact is the NYRR did everything it should have to host ONE Trial, which is all it wanted. But Houston forced Logan's hand. A lot of Wittenberg's ire is based on the fact that Logan kept the NYRR in the dark until almost the moment he made the announcement (when he had already been in Houston for awhile). He didn't handle this very smoothly.
hardset nipples
RE: NYRR are crybabies 4/13/2010 1:27PM - in reply to Yanqui Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Actually, it has been documented that Houston submitted bids for a separate men's or women's OT marathon. Houston (like NYRR) couldn't force anything from its position as a subcontractor.
bella napoli
RE: NYRR are crybabies 4/13/2010 1:31PM - in reply to hardset nipples Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Speed matters. Four loops of Central Park will yield a much slower time than Houston's course.

Although it was great to see Ryan Hall pulling away with authority in the last OTs in NYC.
Hayduke
RE: NYRR are crybabies 4/13/2010 1:58PM - in reply to Put in their places Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Put in their places wrote:

It's an important historical turning point for our sport. Sen Your Low Han has taken the reigns and is now in charge of USATF. The other clubs, etc. have been put in the places. MW whining confirms that. It's best for all Americans given for example, Berlin WC 2009 T&F medal haul was from athletes who train all over the US. States like NY and OR won zero medals. IL has a couple. CA and TX had the most.


Set yourself up. NYRRC is not a "club" like Hansens or Oregon Track Club. It is an organization that puts on races, and offers classes to casual runners. There are not any nyrrc pro runners.
Newyorker
RE: NYRR are crybabies 4/13/2010 2:09PM - in reply to Hayduke Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Unfortunately the NYRRC has become just another big business.
Real Pittsburgher
RE: NYRR are crybabies 4/13/2010 2:09PM - in reply to ????? Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
????? wrote:

What are Mary's qualifications for running a marathon and telling the USATF to do?

What were her times?

_____________________________________

Now you're just being an idiot. I am certainly not a Wittenberg lover, but Fred Lebow was no great runner, and he did a great job for the NYCM.
Yes, she is a big whiner. Yes, she loves the spotlight - how many other race directors are always trying to become inetrviewed? They are usually running around doing things.

This message board will not change the Houston OT's.
Suck it up NY and take your beating like a man. Or, a wo-man.
JoeGarland
RE: NYRR are crybabies 4/13/2010 2:30PM - in reply to Real Pittsburgher Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
What about "good looks"? Assuming Houston was preferable in all objective respects, is it still better for the sport to have at least one race in New York? I don't know the answer to that, but I thought sending them both to Houston was a step backwards purely in terms of the prestige of the event.

I am a New Yorker and member of NYRR, and have run in its races for decades. I enjoyed the trials in 2007 but have no doubt that Houston can put them on just as well if not better than New York.

It was hubris (of which I'll admit New Yorkers are frequently guilty) given the financial realities and there's no reason to think New York, or Boston or Chicago, should have permanent control of one of the slots. I would think Wittenberg's point is that the event would have more stature if it wasn't nomadic and stayed in New York.

I grant that there appears to be a bit of sour grapes in there too.
Water tables are a pain
RE: NYRR are crybabies 4/13/2010 2:32PM - in reply to hardset nipples Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
hardset nipples wrote:


[quote]
NYRR doesn't do anything for the sport that isn't intended to ultimately bring something back to NYRR.






DING DING DING!

WE HAVE THE WINNER!!
i know im a dick
RE: NYRR are crybabies 4/13/2010 2:39PM - in reply to JoeGarland Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
im glad youre willing to admit that new yorkers are guilty of some hubris because your post is chock full of straight up arrogant assholishness. it is a step backwards to send them to houston? you need to explain that better than you thin new york is the bestest place in the whole wide world.
the event would have more stature if it was not nomadic and stayed in new york? what if it were not nomadic and stayed in houston and in january? its not nomadic. would it still have that high stature? or only if it is in new york? again assholishness.
Terrific
RE: NYRR are crybabies 4/13/2010 2:42PM - in reply to i know im a dick Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Pics?
haha, YO (super serial)
RE: NYRR are crybabies 4/13/2010 3:05PM - in reply to Archer Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Archer wrote:

The fact is NYC is NYC. If you want media attention that is where you have to be. Yeah everyone hates it, but it's true. It's the media capital of the world.
I don't doubt that Houston will do a great job, but as far as promoting the sport- you need it in NYC. I think Hall, Ritz and Goucher give UST&F it's greatest chance to capture a few of those new runners that "complete" marathons but dont race them, and the attention generated by the race being in NYC would help that.


Do you remember 2007? The ONLY media coverage to come from that nationally was Ryan Shay dying.

So who needs to take one for the team this time around to "promote" our sport?
JoeGarland
RE: NYRR are crybabies 4/13/2010 3:11PM - in reply to i know im a dick Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
i know im a dick wrote:

im glad youre willing to admit that new yorkers are guilty of some hubris because your post is chock full of straight up arrogant assholishness. it is a step backwards to send them to houston? you need to explain that better than you thin new york is the bestest place in the whole wide world.
the event would have more stature if it was not nomadic and stayed in new york? what if it were not nomadic and stayed in houston and in january? its not nomadic. would it still have that high stature? or only if it is in new york? again assholishness.
If anyone wants the backstory on this anonymous comment, you can go here: http://brandonsmarathon.com/2010/04/ironbrandons-podcast-episode-88/
which all started when I said if you don't win a race you shouldn't raise your arms as if you did.
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