I laughed when he said it. I was curious about a runner that was hanging on with Steve on many of his runs but that was not racing on his same level.
I laughed when he said it. I was curious about a runner that was hanging on with Steve on many of his runs but that was not racing on his same level.
Lake Tarawera. On my doorstep. 6lb trout !! Must have been a bad day. !!!!
The whipping boys were the ASU guys. Ray Wicksell and Pete Hessein knew enough to run some days and rest the others. However, the result of being 'whipped' on a regular basis was a world record 4 X 800 (Sun Angel Track Classic, 1983 - I believe) set by 4 collegiate runners (Richardson, Scott, Davis, and Stahr). They ran 7:08. Although the WR has been lowered, I think it's still the collegiate record.
I got to this thread late, Trackhead, but just want to add my thanks. you've provided a very enjoyable 45 minutes.
A few other things to take away from Scott's log:
1. Variable mileage. You train to race. Scott got that. Pumped his mileage when appropriate (looks like he preferred mid-90's for his base) and backed off.
2. To train and race at that level, you feel like crap most of the time. Get used to it. Scott did. BUT. . .he also was in tune enough with his body to be able differentiate between the normal feeling like crap and the kind of feeling like crap that signals you need a day off. The athelete is the best instrument to measure that.
3. Not obsessive about his training; a day off didn't bother him. Know why? He understood the purpose of training wasn't to train. It was to race.
4. He understood the mile was an endurance event.
5. He understood you run faster than race pace once in a while.
Thank you to trackhead for posting it,
And thank you to Steve Scott for sharing it.
Man, I am hungry after reading about those big trout in your neck of the woods. Man, it must be great there. Cheers! Tinman
thank you for posting that!
I have the feeling that if Peter Coe was the accountant, the ledger would show that Scott was "running", on average, only 35 miles/week.
This is definitely one of the most informative posts that I have read. Steve's training Logs!! Wow! I printed it off to refer to, when I am feeling tired and sluggish and to remind myself to keep my mileage steady throughout the year. Just great reading.
Of course, most Masters Threads are equally as impressive, as well!
tony
800 guy wrote:
I have the feeling that if Peter Coe was the accountant, the ledger would show that Scott was "running", on average, only 35 miles/week.
Funny stuff, 800 guy.
What Hill? Aaaannnyyyy Heeeeel!Also notice hills as short as 100 meters! I have dropped intervals and added a second hill workout and my legs are beginning to feel awesome! Malmo, I'm also doing the Wheel everyday! See ya on November 7th.
malmo wrote:
A few comments:
1) Morning runs. One of the things you'll hear over and over again at Letsrun is young runners looking for justification NOT to run twice a day. You won't find it here.
2) Tempo runs. If you read Scott's log, like most runners in the day, you won' find the word "tempo" anywhere. "Tempe" maybe, but not "tempo". Why? Because Scott was doing them right. You see tempo runs everywhere, most often, "hard runs" or "last half (5miles) hard." If your tempo run is an end-all, needing rest days before and after, you've done them too hard. I don't give a damn what your VDOT table says.
3) Hills. "Deeee Heeeeel!" "What hill?" "Any heeeeelll!" The one thing that most runners of the day did consistantly was hills. Scott ran hills year-round. Went he wasn't doing repeats he was doing long runs on them. Ya think there might be a link?
4) Just think how good Scott would have been with a HRM and GPS device and some freakin duct tape on his nose?
Northwest Master wrote:
This is definitely one of the most informative posts that I have read. Steve's training Logs!! Wow! I printed it off to refer to, when I am feeling tired and sluggish and to remind myself to keep my mileage steady throughout the year. Just great reading.
Of course, most Masters Threads are equally as impressive, as well!
tony
Tony, you're not quite old enough to remember, but one day, long ago, you could get this stuff out of Runner's World. I kid you not! How times have changed?
Alright Malmo, that wasn't funny! Are you telling us that Runner's World used to be about RUNNERS??? Come on now!
Trackhead -- Like HRE I came to this late; a beautiful, wonderful post. I met Steve a couple years ago after he recovered from cancer; what a nice, tough guy. I wish we had more guys who could lace 'em up and hammer it race-in/race-out like Steve. It's hard to believe, but he was world-class from roughly '77 through '88. Anyone lately come close to that?
Tony -- Malmo's right, but he has a LONG memory; Runner's World was once actually useful. Anyone else seem to recall when they slipped over to the dark side -- I think it was the issue that had an actual good article about Steve Ovett on the inside but had Susan "Goldengirl" Anton on the cover.
The Susan Anton issue was a turning point in my life. I purchased a lifetime subscription!
Spider wrote:
Trackhead -- Like HRE I came to this late; a beautiful, wonderful post. I met Steve a couple years ago after he recovered from cancer; what a nice, tough guy. I wish we had more guys who could lace 'em up and hammer it race-in/race-out like Steve. It's hard to believe, but he was world-class from roughly '77 through '88. Anyone lately come close to that?
Tony -- Malmo's right, but he has a LONG memory; Runner's World was once actually useful. Anyone else seem to recall when they slipped over to the dark side -- I think it was the issue that had an actual good article about Steve Ovett on the inside but had Susan "Goldengirl" Anton on the cover.
Give in. Give in to the power of the dark side.
Nothing fancy here, just shows what a little talent and consistency will do. I think Scott subscribed to the "show up and race attitude", didn't care who was in the race he just got after it every time. Great runner.
The miracle is not that we are old enough to remember, but that we are young enough to have not forgotten. I'm not sure that the turning point wasn't previewed by the Penny DeMoss cover.
Was gonna get my life subsciption with the Penny D issue but I was too poor and refused to cancel my PlayBoy sub.My ship came in and here we are today.
HRE wrote:
The miracle is not that we are old enough to remember, but that we are young enough to have not forgotten. I'm not sure that the turning point wasn't previewed by the Penny DeMoss cover.
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
Running for Bowerman Track Club used to be cool now its embarrassing
Rest in Peace Adrian Lehmann - 2:11 Swiss marathoner. Dies of heart attack.
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year