Actually that should say
"Run long distances FAST. No."
We are probably capable of running long distances better than any other species if the matter is just getting from point A to point B. But running a 19, 18, 17, 16, 15 minute 5k? That is something not everyone can do or will ever be able to do.
Alan
This is a framework that is relevant only for males in the United States. Very rough estimates on how many people in the US occupy each range. Numbers in parentheses do not include lower levels ie. 50ish at 13:20-14:00 do not include the 10-15 under 13:20.
12:56-13:20: Truly elite, potential to go to the Olympics (10-15?)
13:20-14:00: Still considered "elite" in the US. D1 Track/CC national qualifier, can make some money on the roads, a potential future in the marathon. (50-60?)
14:00-14:40: A quality D1 runner or excellent D2/D3 runner. (100?)
14:40-15:20: An average D1 runner or good D3 runner. Stellar high school athlete. (600?)
15:20-16:00: A mediocre D1 runner, decent D3 runner, State level high school runner. Very rare weekend warrior. (3000?)
16:00-16:40: D1 is out of the question, mediocre D3 runner, Solid Varsity level high school runner. Still pretty rare for the weekend warrior (15k?)
16:40-17:30: Poor D3 runner, Normal Varsity HS level male. More weekend warriors, would win a lot of 5k's with no prize money. (50k?)
17:30-18:30: Very good JV/slower Varsity for HS. Top 10 at typical 5k's on the road. (75k?)
18:30-20:00: Normal HS JV runner, age group placer on the roads. (100k?)
20:00-23:00: Still pretty typical for freshman in HS new to running. The majority of runners world types on the road. (1 million?)
23:00-30:00: Middle of the pack at road races, still barely cling to the claim of being a runner. (10 million?)
30:00-40:00: Jogger (20 million?)
40:00+ Walker. (50 million?)
ohio_miler wrote:
13:20-14:00: Still considered "elite" in the US. D1 Track/CC national qualifier, can make some money on the roads, a potential future in the marathon. (50-60?)
This is where I don't like these rankings. A 13:21 guy and a 14:00 guy cannot be lumped together. The 14:00 guy can't even make USAs and the 13:21 guy will make the final and in a good race can be top 10 for sure. 14:00 doesn't even make NCAAs.
I think it translates to:
12:30-13:00= 12:30-13:00
13:00-13:30= 13:00-13:30
13:30-14:00= 13:30-14:00
14:00-14:30= 14:00-14:30
14:30-15:00= 14:30-15:00
15:00-15:30= 15:00-15:30
15:30-16:00= 15:30-16:00
16:00-16:30= 16:00-16:30
16:30-17:00= 16:30-17:00
17:00-17:30= 17:00-17:30
17:30-18:00= 17:30-18:00
18:00-19:00= 18:00-19:00
19:00-20:00= 19:00-20:00
20:00= who cares?
ohio_miler wrote:
This is a framework that is relevant only for males in the United States. Very rough estimates on how many people in the US occupy each range. Numbers in parentheses do not include lower levels ie. 50ish at 13:20-14:00 do not include the 10-15 under 13:20.
12:56-13:20: Truly elite, potential to go to the Olympics (10-15?)
13:20-14:00: Still considered "elite" in the US. D1 Track/CC national qualifier, can make some money on the roads, a potential future in the marathon. (50-60?)
14:00-14:40: A quality D1 runner or excellent D2/D3 runner. (100?)
14:40-15:20: An average D1 runner or good D3 runner. Stellar high school athlete. (600?)
15:20-16:00: A mediocre D1 runner, decent D3 runner, State level high school runner. Very rare weekend warrior. (3000?)
16:00-16:40: D1 is out of the question, mediocre D3 runner, Solid Varsity level high school runner. Still pretty rare for the weekend warrior (15k?)
16:40-17:30: Poor D3 runner, Normal Varsity HS level male. More weekend warriors, would win a lot of 5k's with no prize money. (50k?)
17:30-18:30: Very good JV/slower Varsity for HS. Top 10 at typical 5k's on the road. (75k?)
18:30-20:00: Normal HS JV runner, age group placer on the roads. (100k?)
20:00-23:00: Still pretty typical for freshman in HS new to running. The majority of runners world types on the road. (1 million?)
23:00-30:00: Middle of the pack at road races, still barely cling to the claim of being a runner. (10 million?)
30:00-40:00: Jogger (20 million?)
40:00+ Walker. (50 million?)
This is pretty reasonable for the most part. I'm curious about how accurate the 14:40-15:20 group is. I have a feeling that if you were to exclude the collegiates, the number is much smaller than that, but I don't know how large the collegiate group is that runs in that range. 600 overall may be accurate. Your overall guesses leave you well short of approximately 150 million males though. I think the last 3 groups are all much larger. I'd guess 20-23: 3 million, 23-30: 20 million, 30-40: 50 million, 40+: 80 million.
12:37 = bekele
12:38+ = doesn't f***ing matter
If you look at California's state meet there are about 13 runners sub 15. In the west that isn't a rarity but in the east the runners are generally slower for some reason. I know there is 2 HS runners in Kentucky that go sub 15 right now. so many more than 2 or 3.
Nike isn't the end all be all of professionalism in running.
pfft wrote:
12:30-13:00 World Beater
13:00-13:30 Professional
13:30-14:00 Elite
14:00-14:30 College Elite
14:30-15:00 DIII Elite
15:00-15:30 High School Elite
15:30-16:00 High School All-State
16:00-16:30 Stud for most High School Teams teams
16:30-17:00 High School Varsity
17:00-17:30 Top JV/Bottom Varsity High School
17:30-18:00 Good JV runner in High School
18:00-19:00 Average high school senior
19:00-20:00 Average male high schooler/Very good girl
20:00-22:00 Respectable Road Runner
22:00-25:00 Trained Runner
25:00+ Non-Competitive runner
THis. Now that wasn't too hard. Well said.
In the name of accuracy, the only thing i would change is to say HS varsity extends to 17:30 or even 18:00. I'd say even a few of the most elite nike team national teams have 17:30 guys as their number 7 guy. i haven't looked at the stats, but on avg in the US, i think most teams would have 17:30 guys on varsity. Everything else looks right on.
haha i'm the guy who started this thread, good stuff
Wrong. You're definately in the 20+ range. And portraying that women, fat people, and old people are over 20, is stupid. There are plenty of women who can run faster than you. For example me, I am a woman. 24 years old. I can run a 18 minute 5k. You are an idiot. 99% of all women can kick your big fat butt.
what about 1730-1800 for 11 yr olds
Emma95 wrote:
Wrong. You're definately in the 20+ range. And portraying that women, fat people, and old people are over 20, is stupid. There are plenty of women who can run faster than you. For example me, I am a woman. 24 years old. I can run a 18 minute 5k. You are an idiot. 99% of all women can kick your big fat butt.
Portraying fat people as over 20 is stupid, but portraying the OP as fat and over 20 is okay? You sound mad.
Emma95 wrote:
Wrong. You're definately in the 20+ range. And portraying that women, fat people, and old people are over 20, is stupid. There are plenty of women who can run faster than you. For example me, I am a woman. 24 years old. I can run a 18 minute 5k. You are an idiot. 99% of all women can kick your big fat butt.
definitely
But 18 is a good time, keep up the good work.
20+: not worth talking about. old people, fat people, woman, etc
19-20: not worth talking about. Double chinned back of the pack high school sophomores whose mom made them to go out for XC in hopes of delaying the inevitable onset of diabetes. They’re rather be playing Skyrim, covered in Dorito crumbs. Even the spectators cringe watching someone subject themselves to such indignity.
18-19: not worth talking about: Pack fodder at a 2A high school meet. Athletically retarded, but need an activity, obviously couldn’t make the team at sports where they cut people. Spectators clap and yell 'good job' like you’re in the gd special Olympics or something. Parents try to act unashamed but quietly start rethinking that pro-life stance.
17-18: not worth talking about: Might earn an object-of-pity varsity letter (for participation), the only price being your ability to get a date. Should have stuck with those piano lessons, you could have done band or some other non-competitive-everyone-is-a-winner activity instead and maybe salvaged some dignity.
16-17: not worth talking about: Desperate for attention life failures willing to invest the majority of their irreplaceable free time to occasionally have a shot at the $25 third place gift certificate at the local turkey trot. Will walk around with an age group award as though it were the Hope diamond, unaware of their own epic patheticness.
15-16: not worth talking about: Equivalent of what might be the #5 guy on a Kenyan high school team if there were such a thing. Obsessed with going sub 15 to the exclusion of normal social development. Functionally paralyzed in social situations with non-runners because what else is there to talk about? Here’s an idea: talk about operating a shotgun trigger with your big toe.
14-15: not worth talking about: Standard issue Lets Run board hero, which is like being the thinnest fat woman at a Weight Watchers meeting. Belittles others to hide the gnawing, righteous shame that there are girls who are faster. How much of an athlete can you be if a girl can beat you? Compelled to idolize a loser without grasping the irony. E.g. Olympic no-medalist and choker of the century Steve Prefontaine, or another genetic lottery winner who was born with more talent than anyone else in his day, and turned it into a steaming pile of failure, Alan Webb. Why don't you toast your idol with 10 to 12 beers and take the convertible out for a spin.
13-14: not worth talking about: Jamaican bobsled team equivalents. If you come from a talentless running backwater you might make the Olympics, but then again so did Eddy the Eagle. They have to send *somebody*. Don’t feel any pressure, everyone knows you have zero chance. If you’re low 13 and charismatic[1], Nike might pay you a pittance to hawk overpriced trainers to the Lets Run board heroes, since you are their king. High 13s was something to talk about...in the 1950s.
sub 13: Actual competitors. Real runners.
[1] code word for ‘white.’
Neil Owen wrote:
20+: not worth talking about. old people, fat people, woman, etc
19-20: not worth talking about. Double chinned back of the pack high school sophomores whose mom made them to go out for XC in hopes of delaying the inevitable onset of diabetes. They’re rather be playing Skyrim, covered in Dorito crumbs. Even the spectators cringe watching someone subject themselves to such indignity.
18-19: not worth talking about: Pack fodder at a 2A high school meet. Athletically retarded, but need an activity, obviously couldn’t make the team at sports where they cut people. Spectators clap and yell 'good job' like you’re in the gd special Olympics or something. Parents try to act unashamed but quietly start rethinking that pro-life stance.
17-18: not worth talking about: Might earn an object-of-pity varsity letter (for participation), the only price being your ability to get a date. Should have stuck with those piano lessons, you could have done band or some other non-competitive-everyone-is-a-winner activity instead and maybe salvaged some dignity.
16-17: not worth talking about: Desperate for attention life failures willing to invest the majority of their irreplaceable free time to occasionally have a shot at the $25 third place gift certificate at the local turkey trot. Will walk around with an age group award as though it were the Hope diamond, unaware of their own epic patheticness.
15-16: not worth talking about: Equivalent of what might be the #5 guy on a Kenyan high school team if there were such a thing. Obsessed with going sub 15 to the exclusion of normal social development. Functionally paralyzed in social situations with non-runners because what else is there to talk about? Here’s an idea: talk about operating a shotgun trigger with your big toe.
14-15: not worth talking about: Standard issue Lets Run board hero, which is like being the thinnest fat woman at a Weight Watchers meeting. Belittles others to hide the gnawing, righteous shame that there are girls who are faster. How much of an athlete can you be if a girl can beat you? Compelled to idolize a loser without grasping the irony. E.g. Olympic no-medalist and choker of the century Steve Prefontaine, or another genetic lottery winner who was born with more talent than anyone else in his day, and turned it into a steaming pile of failure, Alan Webb. Why don't you toast your idol with 10 to 12 beers and take the convertible out for a spin.
13-14: not worth talking about: Jamaican bobsled team equivalents. If you come from a talentless running backwater you might make the Olympics, but then again so did Eddy the Eagle. They have to send *somebody*. Don’t feel any pressure, everyone knows you have zero chance. If you’re low 13 and charismatic[1], Nike might pay you a pittance to hawk overpriced trainers to the Lets Run board heroes, since you are their king. High 13s was something to talk about...in the 1950s.
sub 13: Actual competitors. Real runners.
[1] code word for ‘white.’
Wow, you're really bitter.
Neil Owen wrote:
20+: not worth talking about. old people, fat people, woman, etc
19-20: not worth talking about. Double chinned back of the pack high school sophomores whose mom made them to go out for XC in hopes of delaying the inevitable onset of diabetes. They’re rather be playing Skyrim, covered in Dorito crumbs. Even the spectators cringe watching someone subject themselves to such indignity.
18-19: not worth talking about: Pack fodder at a 2A high school meet. Athletically retarded, but need an activity, obviously couldn’t make the team at sports where they cut people. Spectators clap and yell 'good job' like you’re in the gd special Olympics or something. Parents try to act unashamed but quietly start rethinking that pro-life stance.
17-18: not worth talking about: Might earn an object-of-pity varsity letter (for participation), the only price being your ability to get a date. Should have stuck with those piano lessons, you could have done band or some other non-competitive-everyone-is-a-winner activity instead and maybe salvaged some dignity.
16-17: not worth talking about: Desperate for attention life failures willing to invest the majority of their irreplaceable free time to occasionally have a shot at the $25 third place gift certificate at the local turkey trot. Will walk around with an age group award as though it were the Hope diamond, unaware of their own epic patheticness.
15-16: not worth talking about: Equivalent of what might be the #5 guy on a Kenyan high school team if there were such a thing. Obsessed with going sub 15 to the exclusion of normal social development. Functionally paralyzed in social situations with non-runners because what else is there to talk about? Here’s an idea: talk about operating a shotgun trigger with your big toe.
14-15: not worth talking about: Standard issue Lets Run board hero, which is like being the thinnest fat woman at a Weight Watchers meeting. Belittles others to hide the gnawing, righteous shame that there are girls who are faster. How much of an athlete can you be if a girl can beat you? Compelled to idolize a loser without grasping the irony. E.g. Olympic no-medalist and choker of the century Steve Prefontaine, or another genetic lottery winner who was born with more talent than anyone else in his day, and turned it into a steaming pile of failure, Alan Webb. Why don't you toast your idol with 10 to 12 beers and take the convertible out for a spin.
13-14: not worth talking about: Jamaican bobsled team equivalents. If you come from a talentless running backwater you might make the Olympics, but then again so did Eddy the Eagle. They have to send *somebody*. Don’t feel any pressure, everyone knows you have zero chance. If you’re low 13 and charismatic[1], Nike might pay you a pittance to hawk overpriced trainers to the Lets Run board heroes, since you are their king. High 13s was something to talk about...in the 1950s.
sub 13: Actual competitors. Real runners.
[1] code word for ‘white.’
post of the week
OP here again, im very proud of this thread. great post up above there. i'm an 18:20 guy and have never won a race
20:00- Sedentary lifestyle
You could probably bench 200lbs because you're well over 200lbs yourself, get a life and lose some weight, fatty.
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these
Red Bull (who sponsors Mondo) calls Mondo the pole vaulting Usain Bolt. Is that a fair comparison?