I am a junior in high-school.
I know I doubt division 1....but there has got to be some division 2 school I can walk on to.
How much would i have to bring this time down to walk onto a small D1 or D2 school?
I was looking at some times from some of the smaller D-1 schools and the times are of course better, but still their worse runners are just a bit better than me.
Input?
thanks.
Lots of places. You're a chick, right?
My girlfriend only ran 18:09 in high school and she was the top runner on her Division II team.
Bob and Doug McKenzie wrote:
Lots of places. You're a chick, right?
No.
I know a guy who couldn't break 18 minutes in a 5k in high school, but he went to a division 1 program and was an all american two years later. Of course thats because he could run a 400 in 46 seconds so im really just posting this for my own entertainment. Work your butt off and see if you can lower that time.
18:09 is very good (depending on the course)... would be good at D1 schools.
If you can get down to 16:50-17:10 next year and then down to like 16:20 for your freshman year which is a about 27:30 8k you could run for some small D1 schools and get your ass kicked or you could be middle of the pack for a D3 school.
Bradley University in Illinois is a small private D1 school. I looked at their meet results and their fasted guy ran like an 27:30 for 8k which equates to about a 16:50 5k so I am sure you would be able to make team.
scrub me wrote:
I know a guy who couldn't break 18 minutes in a 5k in high school, but he went to a division 1 program and was an all american two years later. Of course thats because he could run a 400 in 46 seconds so im really just posting this for my own entertainment. Work your butt off and see if you can lower that time.
I laughed, thanks for that
In short, yes. That was my high school 5k pr and i walked on to a D1 team. There are some pretty weak conferences out there with some pretty weak teams. I was lucky in that my talent and fitness level at the time i walked on were better than that time would indicate (extremely injury prone in hs) but i still got my ass handed to me in every race i ever ran in college. If you enjoy the process and being on a team then go for it. If you need external motivators then bag it now because it won't be worth it. No matter how bad you are putting on the singlet for the first time is still pretty cool. Heck, its cool every time.
Yo could walk on to a lot of schools, but no matter where you go you will get your ass kicked
why do you want to get in over your head??
guys who are running 2 minutes faster still aren't recruited anywhere--
unless you improve your 5k time by, like, 3 minutes, you should stick to D3 schools
Its all about how you sell yourself to teh college and the coach.
Losing the race is probably not why you started running, kept running and plan on running in the future, so don't let a bunch of LetsRun penguins tell you not to go for a D1 school because you'll "Lose".
'Of course thats because he could run a 400 in 46'
That was a good one!
D2 Bentley Univ., Waltham, MA
Contact
Ed Lyons
Head Coach
Bentley XC/T&F
There are many others too
Another option is D3 Keene State - excellent program and you'll improve tremendously
Whichever you choose, you'll probably be able to be part of the team as long as you train your butt off during the summer before you start college (talk to the coaches but I'm guessing 55-60mpw minimum), you need this because otherwise college training with hard workouts and no training base in sept/oct will just break you down. You will barely be able to even practice with a team in september without getting dropped on runs if you don't have close to, if not more than,this amount of relaxed summer training under your belt. Also during summer Add some tempo runs and a race or two to test fitness...just being honest here - unlike high school, if you don't take summer seriously in college you will just get eaten alive by others, especially since races are 5miles.by august, show up at least able to run about 29 minutes for 5miles
I've seen guys with decent talent (more than you) walk on who've run, say, high16s/low 17s in high school and only do 30-40mpw over the summer before college, if that. Per coachs instructions, They run one 5mile low key race as time trial in september 30-31minutes and then usually get injured or quit shortly thereafter, because even with the decent talent the inseason college training week after week makes them break down/miserable/want to give up sport entirely...
well, after reading others posts above mine, yes its true that you will get your ass handed to you in general in college but it all depends how you define that because Haha well..In maybe one low key time trial race against really crappy teams in september, your 29min might be middle of the pack...REALLY...but any other meet you'll be close to back of the pack, maybe 220th of 240 at the first meet such as NE champs at franklin park, if in varsity race. Sub-varsity you'd still probably be mid to back.
In the end, if you can stand not being an impact runner (at least initially), you'll still be able to look back to your high school times and be amazed at the improvement. don't worry too much about what others are doing. If running/endurance sports are important/fun to you, just give it a shot.
I couldnt break 17 minutes in a high school 5k, only broke 4:50 once, and didn't come close to breaking 10 mins in the 2 mile. But a rather famous coach gave me a chance. I went in thinking if I didn't work my a$$ off I would be cut. By indoors freshman year I was running 2 minutes faster through 5k and doing mile repeats at faster than my high school pr. You
can do it.
Why do you want to go D1 or D2? If the team is bad enough that they would take a barely sub-18 5k guy, the coaching and atmosphere must absolutely suck, and you probably won't ever get much better. You can go to a lot of D3 teams who have big teams with lots of people to train with, where you can enjoy yourself, progress, and potentially become a contributor to the team, as well as get a good education.
If you run a 17:50 5k there is no way you could handle the training of a legitimate program outside of D3.
Yes, with hard work and belief. My soph yr pr in high school was only 17:56 and I ended up qualifying for D1 NCAA XC Nationals Individually.
I'd rather not generalize by Division because there are exceptions. just as there are cases at D2 & D3 schools where kids run ~35 minutes for 5miles....
there exist some D1 schools where a back of the pack kid or two runs maybe ~31 minute for 5miles.
low 18s by end of high school is about the bare minimum to be able to simply get on a roster and be taken in at college for an NCAA school. when i say low 18s bare minimum, i mean for a college team that has a PROGRAM and isn't intramurals - in most cases a good D3 school that's large and has organized practices each day.
if you are in this low 18s category, sub 30 minutes 8k probably a good goal to have for your 1st college late august low-key time trial.
of course there are always a few rare NCAA d2,&d3 guys running 35 minutes for 5miles we could cite here, these may be intramural 3-on-3 bball type kids at a primitive ncaa XC program in its 1st year with 5 men on the roster total, we could look them up to prove my point, but lets not make fun.
please correct me if im wrong. this is just what ive observed. i was in that low 18 category