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Discuss. |
| ukathleticscoach |
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No |
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Why not? He has a strong finish, is built more like an 800m runner and is white.
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| MSCoach |
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What does being white have to do with anything? |
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Whites are better at MD than SD, duh! |
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Just to clarify: MD = middle-distance SD = short-distance |
| atrrunner |
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stop. |
| trounce |
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He had a good run. Unfortunately he ran into Lashawn, an alpha black male. End of story. |
| A is A |
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Potentially is the key word here. He couldn't go out and run a world-class 800m right now, but with a few years of training, he could challenge the WR. He converts his 200m speed to 400m very well and this indicates that he favors the endurance end of the spectrum. |
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Merritt has never been as good as Wariner was in 2004-2007. What's this about "alpha black males" anyway? |
| runn |
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I don't see why not. Obviously, he would need some base training- just ramp up the mileage. It seems that a 51-52 opening 400 would be a jog, then run for home. Juantorena did it. Wariner has the build for the 800. A lot of the other 400 guys have more of a 100-200 build. |
| ukathleticscoach |
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So because Juantorena did it all 400m runners can? You 51/52 jog is a joke - if was that easy every 44.5 - 46 400m runner would step up and be a champion There is more to it than build, like muscle type and aerobic capacity and years of training for the event. Juanterena had more of a sprinters build anyway at 84kg! Plus Wariner has trained for the sprints for 10 years He might be able to do a good 800m but the op said to excel. Which for Wariner would mean matching his past achievments and becoming world champion or OG at 800m or at least a medalist Still it would be interesting to see him have a go - you never know until he tries it |
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Probably not. Alberto Juantorena is the only world class 400 meter guy I can think of that also was world class in the 800m. Mark Everett was a world class 800m guy who had a 400m PR of @ 44.5. And I don't think either of those guys could match Wariner's 20.19 200m speed. Wariner is a world class sprinter. World class sprinters do not make top notch 800 m runners |
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It would be fun to run the experiment! I suspect that Wariner would be very good at 800M! If he got down to 1:45, that would be very good. It's hard to see why in principle he would be unable to do 1:43? He does have the build of a middle distance runner. |
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So because Juantorena did it all 400m runners can? Read closely uncleB- Nowhere does it sat ALL 400 runners can do it. In fact it says most don't have the body type. Wariner certainly has the poteential. |
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I totally think he could own the 800 WR and even go under 1:40. Think about it. Wariner will never get the world record in the 400; he can't even break the American record! But he's run a very respectable 43.45, so imagine if he just slowed it down and raced over 2 laps instead of 1? He could be our first sub-1:40 half-miler -- he just needs to go out in 48 (which, for him, is probably a warm-up for a work-out), then come back with a 51 (which, for him, would be like jogging). That would bring him home at 1:39. I think this is realistic compared to other runners. That 49.5 pace is about 88% of his maximum 400 speed. Compare that to Wilson Kipketer, who ran a 1:41.11 with a 46.85 best 400 time. Let's assume that if he ran the 400 more frequently and trained specifically for it, he'd run around a 45.5. His 800 pace would be 90% of his best 400 time -- understandable given that Kipketer was more a middle distance runner than a sprinter. You get a similar number for Seb Coe. As another hypothetical exercise, imagine if Wariner moved up to the 1500. If he slowed things down to a 53 (practically a walk for him, and only 82% of his max 400 speed), he could run a 3:18! I wish he'd give it a try! |
| Mr. Obvious |
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This is an extremely original topic here on letsrun.com |
| guys |
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Yeah, it's an old topic asked about every 400 runner. But, for Wariner I think it is a legitimate discussion because of his lack of 200 speed. His 200m PR is 20.2 I believe, and his 400 is 43.45 Merritt has a 19.98 PR and 43.75 Johnson has 19.32 and 43.18 I can't find Butch Reynolds 200m pr anywhere but based on those results it is pretty evident that Wariner has a lot more speed endurance than the other two runners, so I think he would be best suited to moving up in distance. Whether or not he should, well if you were the third fastest person ever at 400m, and a few years ago there was talk of you challenging for one of the hardest WR's in the sport, would you? Probably not. |
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Wariner doesn't dope (or he's not good at if he does). He won't excel at any distance. |
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He would do okay, 1:45 at best. Dudes like Rudisha would CRUSH his ass. |