2012 predictions ring true

We'll know after the POTUS election the month before.

Who knows?

Alma Geddon has a website devoted to end of the world predictions. Check it out. We've had these scares since

the ancient Greeks.

The Mayans did not make the prediction that you attribute to them.

Bear of Bad News wrote: The Mayans did not make the prediction that you attribute to them.

You don't know how to read. Please take some classes. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Mrs. M wrote:

I'm becoming a believer in the Mayan prediction....but I think the prediction reflects the economic collapse of the US due not only to the unbridled government spending, but especially due to the 200,000+ impending lawsuits of Katrina victims when they sue the US government because the army corps of engineers' knowledge that the levies would not hold. Subsequently, because of the US collapse, world chaos will ensue.

I'd like to be joking here, but this scenario seems a little too possible to me.

What prediction is that?

LOL, that's exactly what my husband says about the whole thing!

you would be naive to think that the prediction pertains to the united states, the world is bigger.

2012 will be like the end of the world for liberals after Sarah Palin becomes President.

Have you listened to Palin speak? She's not going to be the party's nominee, but she could head her own "third-party," which would be a blessing for the Dems.

I have no interest in conspiracy theories in general, but something about 2012 intrigues me in terms of "transformation." I find it curious that the Olympics are coming full circle "under the Queen" that particular year, it will mark the end of the rein of a party in the US hellbent on passing any legislation, even bad legislation with little accountability and transparency and extremely costly downstream effects, than no legislation at all.

Iran/Israel will be addressed in one form or another well before then, an energy crisis will ensue, and the "orderly" decline in the dollar, after a mild, and perhaps multi-month rebound (betting against the dollar is a very crowded trade), could quite easily reach the "tipping point" and become a full-tilt dislocation, formally transferring the economic might from the US to the Dragons. And we are utterly powerless to stop it, doing nothing to rein in Big Government, nothing to secure our own energy future in any meaningful, scaleable way, and nothing stop the interventionist, inflationist, corporatist policies that have utterly undermined this "republic."

Here's hoping you've secured your piece of "heaven" in Brazil (a play on China), or Panama (the epicenter of trade between hemispheres), if it de-pegs from the dollar, or some other place like the Dominican Republic by then... a place with a good climate, cheap healthcare, and good food. Here's hoping you've diversified well into some international assets, currencies, and hard commodities.

Now, will this come to pass? No one can say with any degree of certainty, but you can no longer assign a 0% probability to it.

Serious questions:

Has someone hijacked your name? Because while this does sound reminiscent of your over-analytical, doomsday ramblings, it is even a little crazy for you. It sounds like you've...

a) gone off the deep end

b) have decided to become a troll

c) or you and "I Love Peeps" now share an acid-soaked brain, or....

d) like I said, someone stole your name

Which is it?

Mrs. M wrote:

I'm becoming a believer in the Mayan prediction....but I think the prediction reflects the economic collapse of the US due not only to the unbridled government spending, but especially due to the 200,000+ impending lawsuits of Katrina victims when they sue the US government because the army corps of engineers' knowledge that the levies would not hold. Subsequently, because of the US collapse, world chaos will ensue.

I'd like to be joking here, but this scenario seems a little too possible to me.

And I'd like to think you are joking too, but alas, I know you probably are not, and yes, that is sad and scary (for you, not the country).

(let me guess, you are one of those people that think the swine flu is a hoax, and that vaccines are a gov't conspiracy to kill you and give your kids autism? Admit it, you sort of believe that, right?)

Sagarin wrote:...something about 2012 intrigues me ... the Olympics are coming full circle "under the Queen" that particular year...

Well, wasn't the Queen responsible for forcing the marathon distance to be 26.2m/42.2km? The marathon was forced to "run under her" so she could watch the finish from her boudoir.

We will run out of IPv4 addresses by 2012, prepare yourselves.

Sir Lance-alot wrote:

Serious questions:

Has someone hijacked your name? Because while this does sound reminiscent of your over-analytical, doomsday ramblings, it is even a little crazy for you. It sounds like you've...

a) gone off the deep end

b) have decided to become a troll

c) or you and "I Love Peeps" now share an acid-soaked brain, or....

d) like I said, someone stole your name

Which is it?

Can't believe I'm wasting my time replying to you again, so kudos for that, but, as I said:

"Now, will this come to pass? No one can say with any degree of certainty, but you can no longer assign a 0% probability to it." As I also said, "I have no interest in conspiracy theories in general." 2012 will come and go, and the world will not have "ended."

I am not predicting the GREAT FALL of the USA, just the demise of what our forefathers framed and recognized as a Republic and a possible transformation to a second-tier economic strata resembling the likes of many European nations (though many of them are moving rightfully rightward since their socialist agendas have prohibited balancing the balance sheet and economic prowess).

.truth wrote: We will run out of IPv4 addresses by 2012, prepare yourselves.

Oh no!!! We won't be able to read and contribute to the LTR forum anymore. Now that certainly would be the end of the world as "we on LTR" know it.

By the way, in response to myself as an addendum, I ascribe the highest probability to a scenario where we just muddle through for an awfully long-time and 10% structural unemployment +/- is the new norm. But I believe current policy, in the wake of the previously bad fiscal policy of yesteryear, is putting the cart before the Trojan Horse. Crap and trade (tax and offshore), healthcare "reform" and "access" rather than "restraint, effiency, and transparency, which would improve access in the most cost-effective way possible, etc, etc. And a dollar in decline (which China has fully aided, abetted, and exploited, and we let it happen and continue to exacerbate it) and the BRIC economies have real money to start building real infrastructure while we are a beggar-thy-neighbor second-tier power. It's the reason why China just flipped us the bird at APEC and Russia can back away from "concessions."

There's always a caveat of course. Maybe, just maybe, we will put all of this second-tier legislation off and start putting people to real, sustainable work building nuclear power plants, building cars with natural gas and biofuel capacity, building some train systems, etc (with these cute little solar and wind projects in the peripheral mix) and creating a secure energy future. Perhaps we can get serious about education and enact "reform" there so we can actually compete in the 21st century. It's why charter schools are popping up all over the place and parents are REQUIRED to volunteer some 40 hours+ per week and be involved in the process. It is why voucher-proponents are growing more vocal. It is about ACCOUNTABILITY and competition. Traditional public schools are nothing but layers upon layers of bureaucratic constipation, and you'd know that that is stifling education rather than advancing it IF YOU ACTUALLY WORKED IN THE SYSTEM. There I go again, railing against the unions.

But the left is hellbent on flipping the bird to the right while they have the political capital, and the same is true of the right, and the circus plays on.

Sir Sweats-alot, why don't you (or anyone else for that matter) address the gist of my post, which is the great possibility of an enormous government pay-out to the Katrina victims? I'm sure you have an opinion about it, so why not weigh in, rather than accusing me of thinking the swine flu is a hoax, going completely off-topic?

For the record, my stepson had H1N1, survived just fine without the vaccine, as have my husband and I (I think I had an extremely mild case).

As for the previous poster who said : you would be naive to think that the prediction pertains to the united states, the world is bigger - Do you really believe that a US economic collapse wouldn't affect the entire world?

Certainly, China would fall apart. They have too much invested in supporting the U.S. consumerism model.

After WWII the U.S. became the World's #1 producer of goods. It used excess manufacturing capabilities built to support the war effort.

If I recall correctly, the U.S. manufactured about 50% of all manufactured goods sold in the world. The country in the manufacturing lead is now China.

The U.S. was the world's leading manufacturing nation. Then became the world's leading service supplier nation. Now it is the world's leading debtor nation.

China would be wise not to follow the path the U.S. has.

China is dependent wrote:

Certainly, China would fall apart. They have too much invested in supporting the U.S. consumerism model...

...The country in the manufacturing lead is now China.

While I agree that a US economic collapse would pull China down too (along with the rest of the world), China has not surpassed the US in manufacturing. The latest data I could find had US manufacturing at $1.5 trillion per year (2004) and China at $0.7 trillion (2005). Japan was at $0.9 trillion (2004).

People get the erroneous perception that China makes everything because they shop at Walmart where they buy "made in China" crap. But the stuff the US excels in making, airliners, heavy construction equipment, medical equipment, etc. isn't sold at Walmart.