The real pupose of the healthcare bill is to destroy the private insurance industry

Is your tinfoil hat on a little too tight today?

Good attempt at scare tactics my friend. I really don't understand why every body is so scared by the prospect of the elimination of the private insurance company. I think turning the process over to a federal system makes sense. Sure the transition period may be a little painful, but the positives in the long run are worth the pain. Our current insurance system is an outright disaster and is only succeeding in making our health care system look increasingly bad when compared to other countries systems. The Canadian federal health care system is far superior to ours regardless of the the smear journalism that is reported by the insurance backed lobbyists that criticize federal care. While this health care bill is not the final answer it is at least a step in the right direction. We are only done when private insurance companies are eliminated.

ahhh now i see wrote:

I want free healthcare provided by the rich. There is no reason why I should have to pay for my own heatlhcare when the rich can pay my expenses for me. I like the Canadian system, because there the rich are forced to pay for everyone elses' healthcare, and I engineer the rest of my argument around that basic idea.

Fixed.

I hope all insurance companies are destroyed. Nothing like paying a monthly/quarterly fee for coverage, then paying out of pocket for 80% of any service I need to utilize.

That would be so awesome if :

"The real pupose of the healthcare bill is to destroy the private insurance industry."

I've never known such a large-scale ripoff in my entire life.

I feel like anyone who fights against the healthcare bill is either mildly retarded and really has no grasp on what's really going on OR they are making money on the current system.

Why have profits go to private insurance companies when they can go to the American people?

Unless you're invested in these companies.

DESTROY them.

I've said this before and my thread was deleted for some reason:

Have you ever noticed (how could you not) the buildings that these insurance companies, particularly the headquarters, are housed in?

They are the biggest, most elaborate buildings in the biggest cities in America. Really? Is that the type of money that these companies are making? That tells me that our premiums are not going to our health care. A small % is. The rest is getting a lot of people fat and rich. That should not be happening. I'm all for profit, but c'mon. This industry is supposed to be more about the people it's serving and less about the people that run it.

Buckly wrote:

Why have profits go to private insurance companies when they can go to the American people?

Unless you're invested in these companies.

DESTROY them.

You will get exactly what you are asking for, my friend! And you will perish with them.

It's this type of insanity that's really scary. Good grief! You live in a world where you create your own reality, bounce it off each other in an echo chamber and then demonize others (outside in the real world) when they point to the lunacy of your "arguements". Try waiting around in Canada or Britain for a catheter ablation as you sit in afib for months or years. Or you could just go to Penn or the Cleveland Clinic and have the best in the world....like those who fly in from overseas after suffering on the list. WE HAVE NO MONEY! Perhaps that's the point. Wait.....let me put on my tinfoil hat.......

We would not need health care reform if the insurance industry had not been so greedy. They're getting what they deserve.

Buckly wrote:

Why have profits go to private insurance companies when they can go to the American people?

Most insurers used to be mutual, where they were owned by the policy holders. Any "profits" the company made by either overcharging for premiums or overperformance of the reserves was returned to the policy holders as dividends (and the employees as a bonus).

About 10-15 years ago, there was a big shift to public. Publically traded companies demand bigger, faster returns. This led to more exotic (riskier) policies and reserve holdings. The primary goal is now making returns to shareholders, not actually providing insurance.

Look at the performance of publically traded insurance companies vs. the remaining mutual companies in the latest crisis. The mutual companies performed much better.

The obstructionists are trying to taint mutual companies with the liberal-hippie term "co-op", but there's a reason the mutual system thrived for over 400 years and the public system burned out in under 20.

mez wrote:

It's this type of insanity that's really scary. Good grief! You live in a world where you create your own reality, bounce it off each other in an echo chamber and then demonize others (outside in the real world) when they point to the lunacy of your "arguements". Try waiting around in Canada or Britain for a catheter ablation as you sit in afib for months or years. Or you could just go to Penn or the Cleveland Clinic and have the best in the world....like those who fly in from overseas after suffering on the list. WE HAVE NO MONEY! Perhaps that's the point. Wait.....let me put on my tinfoil hat.......

Really? Do you actually bother learning anything for yourself, or do you just repeat everything you hear on the radio?

You might be interested to know that our health outcomes aren't any better than those countries'.

Ziggy Starlust wrote:

You might be interested to know that our health outcomes aren't any better than those countries'.

You might be interested to know that "health outcomes" is not a single measurable dimension of healthcare quality and that any statement on the subject is therefore invalid.

mez wrote:

It's this type of insanity that's really scary. Good grief! You live in a world where you create your own reality, bounce it off each other in an echo chamber and then demonize others (outside in the real world) when they point to the lunacy of your "arguements". Try waiting around in Canada or Britain for a catheter ablation as you sit in afib for months or years. Or you could just go to Penn or the Cleveland Clinic and have the best in the world....like those who fly in from overseas after suffering on the list. WE HAVE NO MONEY! Perhaps that's the point. Wait.....let me put on my tinfoil hat.......

Thank you for parroting the insurance company propoganda spin on the Canadian system. All of my aunts/uncles/cousins are canadians and all are very happy with their health system. They have never experienced these month/year long waits you speak of. But keep on reading your lobbyist nonsense while our health system continues to degrade at the hands of the profit seeking insurance companies. Why would we want to improve the mess that we currently have?

One of the bigger problems that so many people fail to argue about is that nobody sees the true cost of healthcare. So to me, hell yeah will I get my elbow fixed for a couple hundred bucks so I can get out on the tennis court 110%. But if I had to pay the actual thousands of dollar to get something like that fixed, I might find a new hobby.

I'd rather pay $50 to see the doctor when I need to than have to deal with insurance. We can have CATASTROPHIC insurance and that will cover the huge, unexpected stuff.

Oh but wait, there will be those who don't pay to go to the doctor and wait till it's too late and they don't have the money for the more expensive procedure down the road because they didn't take care of themselves. You know what then? C'est la vie.

DickGregory wrote:

I've said this before and my thread was deleted for some reason:

Have you ever noticed (how could you not) the buildings that these insurance companies, particularly the headquarters, are housed in?

They are the biggest, most elaborate buildings in the biggest cities in America. Really? Is that the type of money that these companies are making? That tells me that our premiums are not going to our health care. A small % is. The rest is getting a lot of people fat and rich. That should not be happening. I'm all for profit, but c'mon. This industry is supposed to be more about the people it's serving and less about the people that run it.

What stop with the health insurance industry. Why should automakers get to keep their profits? And banks, oil companies, toy makers, retailers etc.... Let the gov. take them all over and take all the profit to pay off the national debt.

Early Burly wrote:What stop with the health insurance industry. Why should automakers get to keep their profits? And banks, oil companies, toy makers, retailers etc.... Let the gov. take them all over and take all the profit to pay off the national debt.

One answer: the automakers, banks, oil companies, toy makers, and retailers don't make money due to the health and well being of others. I'm not really for the healthcare bill, but I'm not stupid enough to believe a profit motive belongs at the center of healthcare either.

if we would adopt another system that has a good track record, or better yet outsource, i think support would grow enough to make it easy.

there is so little confidence in the ability of washington to pull this off. those idiots have a long track record of failure. that's where the resistance is.

this stopped being about healthcare reform months ago. it's all about power and social re-engineering now.

Both of these sides are correct. This is not the way to fix the system. 1)The bill is flawed, should be scrapped, and the reform should be done piecemeal. 2)The system is broken, due in large part to insurance companies with the help of an overbearing government. The system should be reformed.

There you have it. GOP and the DEMs are wrong. And of course, letsrun responders, you are both right.

Oh, and both sides to have ulterior motives if anyone would care to be honest and notice.