Anyone think that head size and intelligence are correlated?
Anyone think that head size and intelligence are correlated?
Yes, I think they go together.
I was measured to have a cranial capacity of 1800 cubic centimeters. My IQ has never tested below 160.
I am 3/4 Caucasian, 1/4 Asian heritage.
I believe, just from personal observation that whites and asians have the largest heads, followed by light skinned blacks, indians, middle easterners, and finally the smallest are the darkest skinned peoples.
If you look at global IQ distribution maps, this also seems to support my general observations. I wouldn't use it to make an overarching theory about intelligence though-
Its unfair to do that and say, so and so group is little more than chimpanzee, while saying another is better than another.
That said we should have some sort of breeding incentive for higher intelligence people to have more children, and lower intelligence people not to have children. Also, mandatory intelligence testing at a young age for school children.
Nope, and I have a huge head so I must be correct.
15 forty nine wrote:
Yes, I think they go together.
I was measured to have a cranial capacity of 1800 cubic centimeters. My IQ has never tested below 160.
I am 3/4 Caucasian, 1/4 Asian heritage.
I believe, just from personal observation that whites and asians have the largest heads, followed by light skinned blacks, indians, middle easterners, and finally the smallest are the darkest skinned peoples.
If you look at global IQ distribution maps, this also seems to support my general observations. I wouldn't use it to make an overarching theory about intelligence though-
Its unfair to do that and say, so and so group is little more than chimpanzee, while saying another is better than another.
That said we should have some sort of breeding incentive for higher intelligence people to have more children, and lower intelligence people not to have children. Also, mandatory intelligence testing at a young age for school children.
Here's an excellent counterexample.
You know what else I heard recently? Black people have an extra muscle in their legs that make them jump higher. I've SEEN it!
It absolutely blows my mind how 100's of years after this shit has been proven false over and over again, people still grab onto it and actually believe it. It is so sad.
Brain size isn't even correlated to higher intelligence. There are ancestors of humans that had larger brains than we do, yet we are smarter.
Didnt see it the 1st time? wrote:
You know what else I heard recently? Black people have an extra muscle in their legs that make them jump higher. I've SEEN it!
It absolutely blows my mind how 100's of years after this shit has been proven false over and over again, people still grab onto it and actually believe it. It is so sad.
Does that extra muscle have any cognitive power?
Maybe in Boondocks right?
IQ is hardly the sole and ultimate measure of intelligence.
"I believe, just from personal observation that whites and asians have the largest heads, followed by light skinned blacks, indians, middle easterners, and finally the smallest are the darkest skinned peoples."
"That said we should have some sort of breeding incentive for higher intelligence people to have more children, and lower intelligence people not to have children. Also, mandatory intelligence testing at a young age for school children."
Did you attend the Mengele school of science, eduation, and out of your mind racism?
biologista wrote:
Brain size isn't even correlated to higher intelligence. There are ancestors of humans that had larger brains than we do, yet we are smarter.
Neanderthals, (that which human ancestor you refer too) Died out because their heads were so large, that the female hips were not wide enough for the head to pass through during the birthing process.
The point can even be made in today's time that this is a reason why lower intelligence, smaller headed individuals have higher birth rates than higher intelligence people.
Human intelligence and brain size are extremely closely related. It is very obvious, even in mundane terms. Chimps are not as smart as humans, their heads are smaller. Dogs, cats, squirrels, deer, birds- all have much smaller brains than humans.
Look at the animal kingdom and correlation. Elephants, Whales, Dolphins, larger brains, more intelligent animals. Primates, larger than most animals display even more intelligence than most of the animal kingdom. Humans, with larger brains still, display the most intelligence of the animal kingdom. Simple correlation...of course it is.
Brain size and intelligence are very important, that doesn't mean there isn't a range of intelligence that some individuals are at the higher end of in terms of intelligence despite smaller brain size, of course there are outliers like that.
And you miss my point by conveniently leaving out what I said, I said this should not be a reason to make an overarching theory about intelligence BETWEEN PEOPLE. It should not be used to divide people, did you not read everything I said, because something else I said that might have been factual or not, incited you to conveniently forget that point?
Stop acting like an animal, this is about human intelligence, about humans in general why would someone get so personal about it, like what I said was an affront to them?
Along the lines of what UncleB wrote, pick up a copy of "The Mismeasure of Man" for the point of view from someone who actually knew what he was talking about.
Who knows? I think the large head could let you store more but the smaller head means there is a shorter path to combining knowledge.
mmmm, Neandertals weren't our ancestors, and they didn't die out because their heads were too big. They died out because we, Homo sapiens, drove them to extinction by outcompeting them both directly and indirectly. A large powerful frame was good in ice age Europe, but requiring 5000 calories a day and being poor runners in comparison to Homo sapiens is not. Their methods of hunting were inferior to H. sapiens as well. There's no genetic evidence for it (yet), but late Neandertals started looking more like H. sapiens, indicating we may have been sharing DNA.
Brain size/shape does vary among human populations, but it may have more to do with climate than anything else. It just comes back to SA:V. People who traditionally lived in cold regions have large round heads, while people in warmer regions have smaller and "longer" heads.
Funny you should ask such a question as I just read an article on this.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091117124009.htm
Whenever scientists dig up the skeleton of some early pre-human Lucy type, they seem to have no problem with making a bunch of measurements of the skull and drawing conclusions about intelligence. And yet, they seem less comfortable doing the same sort of analysis of modern people.
Also, he's been a little bit out of the spotlight recently, so you may have forgotten this, but Alan Webb has a gigantic head.
Just thought I'd add that brain size isn't meaningless. There isn't a linear progression from ape to man in human evolution, but when comparing the skulls and cultural/technological sophistication of Australopithecines, Homo habilis, Homo erects, and Homo sapiens, there's an obvious correlation between brain size and "intelligence." Comparing contemporary individuals of the same species is much less straight forward though.
From Guppy's article:
"This must mean that much 'advanced' thinking can actually be done with very limited neuron numbers. Computer modelling shows that even consciousness can be generated with very small neural circuits, which could in theory easily fit into an insect brain.
In fact, the models suggest that counting could be achieved with only a few hundred nerve cells and only a few thousand could be enough to generate consciousness. Engineers hope that this kind of research will lead to smarter computing with the ability to recognise human facial expressions and emotions."
Who is doing computer modelling of consciousness? And why haven't these people created artificial intelligence / conscious computers yet?
Feel free, in answering my question, to draw on eamples form the Star Trek: TNG episode where the holodeck creates a sentient being who tries to take over the Enterprise.
there might be a correlation but there certainly shouldn't be. Otherwise how come those super smart people (high geniuses and over) can get a graduate by the time they are 10. I know kids have big brains for their sizes but they are not yet adult and i am sure a lot of adults will appear and be dumb to those kids.
Actually most of this high geniuses are way smarter then their 4th grade teachers.
And yes big heads will relate to some brain functions or malfunctions but that certainly doesn't need to correlate to high iq. Kim peek has a big head (we are not just talking of the forehead the brain goes well below the eyes.
For those that don't know kim peek. He is the smartest man of the world but not the most intelligent.He is the real rainman.
He can learn two pages at a time and will score 180 on the memory iq tests. But on overall iq tests he is a shade from being handicapped.
Another argument is the brain research done on Einstein. His brain in overall size is average with even a lighter weight then the average brain weight of males back then.
However in his brain some of the normal brain parts where almost not developed and other where maybe two to three size the size of average males.
When i walk the street i won't correlate heads with intelligence nor the cloths.
Geniuses are just a different book and some of them differ as much from each other as they differ from us.
15 forty nine wrote:
biologista wrote:Brain size isn't even correlated to higher intelligence. There are ancestors of humans that had larger brains than we do, yet we are smarter.
Neanderthals, (that which human ancestor you refer too) Died out because their heads were so large, that the female hips were not wide enough for the head to pass through during the birthing process.
The point can even be made in today's time that this is a reason why lower intelligence, smaller headed individuals have higher birth rates than higher intelligence people.
Human intelligence and brain size are extremely closely related. It is very obvious, even in mundane terms. Chimps are not as smart as humans, their heads are smaller. Dogs, cats, squirrels, deer, birds- all have much smaller brains than humans.
Look at the animal kingdom and correlation. Elephants, Whales, Dolphins, larger brains, more intelligent animals. Primates, larger than most animals display even more intelligence than most of the animal kingdom. Humans, with larger brains still, display the most intelligence of the animal kingdom. Simple correlation...of course it is.
Brain size and intelligence are very important, that doesn't mean there isn't a range of intelligence that some individuals are at the higher end of in terms of intelligence despite smaller brain size, of course there are outliers like that.
And you miss my point by conveniently leaving out what I said, I said this should not be a reason to make an overarching theory about intelligence BETWEEN PEOPLE. It should not be used to divide people, did you not read everything I said, because something else I said that might have been factual or not, incited you to conveniently forget that point?
Stop acting like an animal, this is about human intelligence, about humans in general why would someone get so personal about it, like what I said was an affront to them?
If neanderthals heads were too big to fit through the birthing canal, how the hell did they ever achieve a high enough population for us to know about them.
So, Alan Webb is a genius?