Galen Rupp & Alan Webb & company...

I think the reason there is not much news about Rupp, is that, aside from no current competitions, he is enjoying living his life out of the college running spotlight -- and this crap hole of a forum is one reason why.

It must be nice for him to just be a college student, finish up his degree; have the Nike contract, pay back his debt to his parents, and enjoy running for the pure joy, while planning an eventual return to competition.

He's earned some peace and quiet.

so in this time of peace and quiet that rupp is enjoying, i wonder what kind of mileage he is logging right now, because he's probably not resting anymore after a long year of racing. ritzenhein mentioned in an article that he had been on some runs with rupp.

if rupp, ritz, webb, hall & teg all did world xc in 2011 and ran to their ability they would bring home a team medal guaranteed, perhaps even silver if one of the two african running factories falters. really though this is just a fantasy

World cross is 2010, then not again til 2012.

But I agree with your sentiment. I want to see the US's best team toe the line against the world.

wackydelly wrote:

if rupp, ritz, webb, hall & teg all did world xc in 2011 and ran to their ability they would bring home a team medal guaranteed, perhaps even silver if one of the two african running factories falters. really though this is just a fantasy

No. Kenya can fill their team with sub 27:00 runners. Ethiopia can fill their team with sub 27:00 runners. Eritrea and Qatar can fill about half their teams with sub 27 runners. US has zero sub 27 runners.

The Betrayed wrote:

[quote]wackydelly wrote:

No. Kenya can fill their team with sub 27:00 runners. Ethiopia can fill their team with sub 27:00 runners. Eritrea and Qatar can fill about half their teams with sub 27 runners. US has zero sub 27 runners.

What about sub 13:00 runners?

Eritrea and Qatar can fill half their teams with sub-27 min 10k runners? really? can you name those athletes? i personally think ritzenhein and rupp can run with some sub-27 10k runners anyway. as a matter of fact they've both done it, so i don't think that if the USA had ritz, rupp, hall, teg, and webb, that the USA would be that far behind them, if behind them at all.Here are the top 10k times of 2009. 5 Americans at 28:00 or under compared to 3 Eritreans. 1 Eritrean under 27:00. 2 Qatari's under 28:00, the fastest one being Nicholas Kemboi who ran 27:41 in 2009. In 2008, 6 Americans under 28:00, 3 Eritrean's under 28:00, and 4 Qatar's under 28:00. No one from either of those three countries ran under 27:00. And the fastest Qatari of that group in that year (Abdullah, 27:09) got 11th in 27:45 at this past summer's World Champs behind Ritzenhein's 6th place finish in 27:22.In 2007, 8 Americans under 28:00, 1 Eritrean under 28:00 (Zersany Tadesse 27:00.30), and 1 Qatari under 28:00 (Abdullah again, and this time 2 American's bested his time at 10k for the summer of 2007, so no Qatari runner ran faster than any American at 10k in the summer of 2007).In 2006, 1 Eritrean under 28:00, 1 Qatari under 28:00, and 5 Americans under 28:00(4 Americans between 27:20 and 27:37).So in the past 4 years, only 1 Eritrean has run under 27:00 no Qatari runners have run under 27:00, and one of the best Qatari runners has been beaten at 10k by multiple Americans on different occasions over that time period.I don't know where you get this idea that Qatar and Eritrea should be fielding better cross teams than the USA based on track times. Maybe it's this type of thinking that gets into the heads of US runners making them think they can't compete with east Africans.

The Betrayed wrote:

wackydelly wrote:

if rupp, ritz, webb, hall & teg all did world xc in 2011 and ran to their ability they would bring home a team medal guaranteed, perhaps even silver if one of the two african running factories falters. really though this is just a fantasy

No. Kenya can fill their team with sub 27:00 runners. Ethiopia can fill their team with sub 27:00 runners. Eritrea and Qatar can fill about half their teams with sub 27 runners. US has zero sub 27 runners.

3 Americans ran faster than any Eritrean runner and faster than any Qatari runner this past summer for 5000m:

12:52.32 Kenenisa Bekele ETH 13/06/1982 1 Zürich 28/08/2009

12:55.03 Edwin Cheruiyot Soi KEN 03/03/1986 2 Zürich 28/08/2009

12:55.31 Kenenisa Bekele 1 Bruxelles 04/09/2009

12:55.66 Imane Merga ETH 15/10/1988 2 Bruxelles 04/09/2009

12:55.98 Vincent Kiprop Chepkok KEN 05/07/1988 3 Bruxelles 04/09/2009

12:56.23 Kenenisa Bekele 1 Roma 10/07/2009

12:56.27 Dathan Ritzenhein USA 30/12/1982 3 Zürich 28/08/2009

12:56.46 Eliud Kipchoge KEN 05/11/1984 1 Milano 25/06/2009

12:56.53 Ali Abdosh ETH 28/08/1987 4 Bruxelles 04/09/2009

12:57.43 Josphat Bett Kipkoech KEN 12/06/1990 5 Bruxelles 04/09/2009

12:57.62 Mark Kosgey Kiptoo KEN 21/06/1976 2 Roma 10/07/2009

12:58.16 Joseph Ebuya KEN 20/06/1987 6 Bruxelles 04/09/2009

12:58.17 Vincent Kiprop Chepkok 4 Zürich 28/08/2009

12:58.24 Leonard Patrick Komon KEN 10/01/1988 3 Roma 10/07/2009

12:58.56 Matthew Tegenkamp USA 19/01/1982 7 Bruxelles 04/09/2009

12:58.70 Lucas Kimeli Rotich KEN 16/04/1990 4 Roma 10/07/2009

12:59.22 Bekana Daba ETH 29/07/1988 5 Roma 10/07/2009

12:59.27 Moses Ndiema Kipsiro UGA 02/09/1986 5 Zürich 28/08/2009

12:59.56 Ali Abdosh 1 Hengelo 01/06/2009

12:59.75 Imane Merga 6 Roma 10/07/2009

13:00.22 Joseph Ebuya 6 Zürich 28/08/2009

13:00.76 Kenenisa Bekele 1 Berlin 14/06/2009

13:00.79 Augustine Kiprono Choge KEN 21/01/1987 2 Hengelo 01/06/2009

13:00.91 Eliud Kipchoge 3 Hengelo 01/06/2009

13:01.08 Abraham Chebii KEN 23/12/1979 2 Berlin 14/06/2009

13:01.30 Micah Kipkemboi Kogo KEN 30/06/1986 3 Berlin 14/06/2009

13:01.35 Vincent Kiprop Chepkok 4 Berlin 14/06/2009

13:01.69 Edwin Cheruiyot Soi 4 Hengelo 01/06/2009

13:02.32 Bekana Daba 5 Berlin 14/06/2009

13:02.40 Mathew Kipkoech Kisorio KEN 16/05/1989 7 Roma 10/07/2009

13:02.44 Lucas Kimeli Rotich 8 Bruxelles 04/09/2009

13:02.90 Micah Kipkemboi Kogo 1 New York City, NY 30/05/2009

13:03.06 Bernard Lagat USA 12/12/1974 2 New York City, NY 30/05/2009

13:03.13 Dejen Gebremeskel ETH 24/11/1989 3 New York City, NY 30/05/2009

13:03.43 Thomas Pkemei Longosiwa KEN 14/01/1982 6 Berlin 14/06/2009

13:03.70 Mark Kosgey Kiptoo 7 Berlin 14/06/2009

13:04.12 Jacob Korir Cheshari KEN 1989 5 Hengelo 01/06/2009

13:04.38 Mike Kipruto Kigen KEN 15/01/1986 9 Bruxelles 04/09/2009

13:04.68 Imane Merga 4 New York City, NY 30/05/2009

13:04.87 Kenenisa Bekele 1 Oslo (Bislett) 03/07/2009

13:05.02 Mangata Kimai Ndiwa KEN 12/12/1987 6 Hengelo 01/06/2009

13:05.46 James Kwalia C'Kurui QAT 12/06/1984 2 Oslo (Bislett) 03/07/2009

USA: Ritzenhein (12:56), Tegenkamp (12:58), Lagat (13:03)

Qatar: James Kwalia C'Kurui (13:05)

Eritrea: Zersany Tadese (13:07)

[quote]a Duck wrote:

this crap hole of a forum is one reason why.

Does Britney have to read the tabloids

wackydelly wrote:

if rupp, ritz, webb, hall & teg all did world xc in 2011 and ran to their ability they would bring home a team medal guaranteed, perhaps even silver if one of the two african running factories falters. really though this is just a fantasy

I'd replace Hall (he'd use it as a workout for his marathons) with Derrick and add Meb to the roster.

Hall should really consider following the Ritz racing plan of peaking for World Cross and an early track season before ramping up for a fall marathon.

He is becoming very one-dimensional as a 2 marathoner a year guy and is not stimulating different systems throughout the year.

Hall will never see a big break through again unless he stimulates a new system... and radically. Adding strides or an extra weight routine isn't going to do it.

Oh well... my ideas play no part in his decision making process. And I'm sure Asics, unlike Nike, isn't pressuring him to do anything. Kind of sucks. Thank God for Nike and their desire to make running a business.

piedmontcat wrote:

wackydelly wrote:

if rupp, ritz, webb, hall & teg all did world xc in 2011 and ran to their ability they would bring home a team medal guaranteed, perhaps even silver if one of the two african running factories falters. really though this is just a fantasy

I'd replace Hall (he'd use it as a workout for his marathons) with Derrick and add Meb to the roster.

I'm not sure Derrick's at that level yet. He might be. As far as Hall, it depends on if this Hall training for marathons and racing XC, or hall training for XC. He was sick in '06 or whichever year it was he cleaned up on Ritz in New York.

We're naming all our top track and road guys, but I can't believe nobody's mentioned Torres. He's the closest thing we've got to a cross country specialist, and has a decent record against most of the guys on the list. What on earth has Tegenkamp done to show he could beat Torres in XC? On the track, sure, but in XC?

Tegenkamp made the world junior team with Ritzenhein and finished 5th I believe in that same race when Ritzenhein placed 3rd behind Bekele. So Tegenkamp finished 5th at junior world cross.Tegenkamp also finished near the top 10 at NCAA's, so he definitely has cross country potential, I don't think there's any doubt about that.

giffypop17 wrote:

piedmontcat wrote:

I'd replace Hall (he'd use it as a workout for his marathons) with Derrick and add Meb to the roster.

I'm not sure Derrick's at that level yet. He might be. As far as Hall, it depends on if this Hall training for marathons and racing XC, or hall training for XC. He was sick in '06 or whichever year it was he cleaned up on Ritz in New York.

We're naming all our top track and road guys, but I can't believe nobody's mentioned Torres. He's the closest thing we've got to a cross country specialist, and has a decent record against most of the guys on the list. What on earth has Tegenkamp done to show he could beat Torres in XC? On the track, sure, but in XC?

Two Americans breaking 13 this year is still sinking in. Could this me a new trend in US distance running. Is 13:00 the new 13:15.