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| Wierd Stuff |
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Columbine shooters were on them heavily. The wacko at Virginia Tech was on them even moreso. Now the shrink at Fort Hood who had access to a pharmacy of them snaps. |
| Fat Boy |
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The answer to your question is yes it is possible. Whether or not any of the purported facts you have stated are true, I have my doubts. |
| i feel fine now |
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More likely it is an absence of anti depressants to those who need them. If they didn't need them, they probably would have not been prescribed. The people still have to take them and many do not. That is when these actions occur. |
| Douchebag Dave |
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you know....there were mass murderers BEFORE there are anti-depressants. |
| tommy t |
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seems like a chicken or egg type thing. generally if they are on these drugs there was already an underlying problem in the first place |
| Fat Boy |
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What typically happens is the nutjobs go on drugs. The drugs increase the receptor density. (Kind of like how a junky needs more junk to get the same high he used to get.) The nutjobs feel better and give up the drugs. However, without the drugs they are nuttier than they were before because of the increased receptor density. |
| sadistics |
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Here's a stats lesson for you. Say I run 80 miles a week for 4 months. Then I run a race and set a personal best. Later, I notice that my shoes are really worn down. Furthermore, I notice that EVERY season I set a personal best, my shoes are really worn down. Would it be reasonable to conclude that I got faster BECAUSE my shoes were worn down? Correlation does not imply causation. Arguably, correlation is far less likely to be associated with causation than with other relationships. Compare the hypotheses: "I got fast because my shoes were worn down" vs. "I got fast and my shoes were worn down because I was running a lot." Also compare: "those people murdered others because they were on antidepressants" vs. "those people murdered and were on antidepressants because they had psychological disorders." |
| meaux |
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hey you fuggin nitwits how about this 2 groups of people group A is composed of people who take ibuprofen group B is composed of people who do not take ibuprofen amazingly, we discover that the people in group A have higher rates of arthritis. should we then conclude that ibuprofen causes arthritis? |
| Bored Student |
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Wow I totally fell asleep reading your post, had flashbacks to 8am Philosophy class my Freshman year. ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz ***************************************************** Correlation does not imply causation. Arguably, correlation is far less likely to be associated with causation than with other relationships. Compare the hypotheses: "I got fast because my shoes were worn down" vs. "I got fast and my shoes were worn down because I was running a lot." Also compare: "those people murdered others because they were on antidepressants" vs. "those people murdered and were on antidepressants because they had psychological disorders." |
| Your allwrong |
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Actually I think it was the drugs. Your comparing people who were taking normal doses to people who admittedly were taking a freaking Pharmacy worth of drugs. |
| meaux |
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Yes, you're using "your" all wrong.
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| jjjjjjjj |
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Correlation is the very meaning of causality. a happens after b. it happens enough and we impute causality. That does not mean that folk causality exists (a happens because of b) or that that relation imputed in a given case occurred. read your david hume and wake the f up, freshman! But antidepressants are known to increase suicidal thoughts and psychotic behavior both during the first six months of their use or during the first six months AFTER getting off them, as a British metastudy published in Lancet showed a few years ago. |
| Medical Student |
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Although we can't know for sure, the case against the drugs is very compelling, especially when viewed in conjunction with the concern that they may also increase suicide risk. These are MIND-ALTERING DRUGS which affect the very chemicals responsible for every thought, feeling, and emotion that a person experiences. They also cause serious dependency and withdrawl issues which the psychiatric community has generally minimized and ignored. The families of the victims of these drug-induced rampages don't give a f*** whether research proves the fact, or whether the "experts" agree. Innocent lives have been lost due to the use of drugs which were fraudulently purported to correct a "chemical imbalance" which, in fact, there was never any reserach to prove the existence of in the first place. Psychiatry has more skeletons in its closet than any other system of medicine that has ever existed and anyone who defends these practices arbitrarily just because they represent the status quo is a fool. |
| Medical Student |
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That's the WITHDRAWL effect. The patients' psychotic behavior was fundamentally caused by the PREVIOUS USE of antidepressants, which created a condition of DEPENDENCY, thus setting the person up for a major psychotic episode upon DISCONTINUATION. It is not the patients' intrinsic mental problems which cause them to kill themselves and others, it's the EXACERBATION of their mental problems by psychiatric drugs. |
| Dirty South |
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From near-personal experience (my ex wife). Mood stabilizers are extremely dangerous. Getting the dosage wrong results in psychosis. Withdrawing results in psychosis. Playing with neurotransmitter chemistry is generally a bad idea. Once they start, they're f'd. |
| Medical Student |
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If the patients' intrinsic mental disorders were the real cause of their suicidal/homicidal behavior, one has to ask why they only committed these acts after they started taking medication rather than before. The introduction of drugs is the factor which separates the nonviolent and violent periods in the patients' lives. Therefore, the drugs are strongly implicated. |
| joho |
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If the patients' intrinsic mental disorders were the real cause of their suicidal/homicidal behavior, one has to ask why they only committed these acts after they started taking medication rather than before. The introduction of drugs is the factor which separates the nonviolent and violent periods in the patients' lives. Therefore, the drugs are strongly implicated.[/quote] How do you know the suicidal/homicidal behavior would not have occurred had the person never taken the drugs in the first place? If you give a 50 old sick people a placebo and 10 die, is it the placebo's fault, or did they die from being old and sick? |
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