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| MeltingPot |
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| Wendell Gee |
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So women, children of servicemen and immigrant citizens don't count? That's a tough standard. Do you count only Mills as an American medal in track and field? |
| ciego no más |
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Meb Deena Joanie Shorter |
| R.E.Peat |
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What he said. Pay attention. |
| Dr. Lizardo |
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Home is where you wear your hat. |
| abacus |
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Nope. Redskins are out, too. |
| MeltingPot |
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I forgot to specify men, my mistake. And this is not a serious statement, just pointing out Meb is just as American as Shorter. Both were foreign born, but you don't hear anyone disputing Shorter's accomplishments... |
| lulzz |
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This is the same argument that came up last year for McCain. Shorter was born to a dad in the military. He was born a US citizen, and his parents were both citizens. Shorter is not foreign born, his parents were stationed overseas when he was born. Yes, there is a difference. Also, Deena and Joan Benoit-Samuelson were both born in the US so far as I'm aware. |
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| 4 a9i n4q34aro |
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You missed Kardong in 1976. In your world, with rules that would keep Shorter from running for the US, you have to consider that Cierpinski (steroid code number 62) would be disqualified. |
| ytgsfdfds |
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Nope. Redskins are out, too.[/quote] American Indians are US citizens. Now if they're Indian separatists who would like to sever all ties with "white" America, that would be one thing. But, certainly Billy Mills for instance counts, being in US military and all. And the idea that someone like Frank Shorter is an immigrant (born in Germany to US citizens stationed at a military base) and wouldn't count, that's such an obvious lie to boast the status of Lagat, Meb, etc. |
| ming ding xiong |
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He was born outside the country, just like Meb. |
| the dude abides |
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technically, military institutions are considered American soil...so he was born in "America" Listen, I'm totally grateful that Meb is here running for us, but seriously...how can anyone SERIOUSLY chaulk up his victories as a victory for uncle same...the guy is from Eritrea. Just because he's legally a citizen doesn't mean that he's from America. Come on, let's be rational here. Meb winning (although very significant) is not the same victory for the U.S. as someone like ritz or hall winning. Come one guys... |
| pay attention |
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He's been here since he was 12. What more do you want?
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| dukerdog |
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the dude abides wrote: technically, military institutions are considered American soil...so he was born in "America" For what purposes are they considered American soil? Would a baby born in an American military hospital in Germany to German citizens become an American citizen? I doubt it. If Meb had been born in an American military hospital in Eritrea would everyone consider him to be a "real" American? |
| Get over it |
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From Websters online... Main Entry: 1Amer·i·can Pronunciation: ə-ˈmer-ə-kən, -ˈmər-, -ˈme-rə- Function: noun Date: 1568 1 : an American Indian of North America or South America 2 : a native or inhabitant of North America or South America 3 : a citizen of the United States By def 1, Billy Mills may be the only medalist ever. By either of the other 2, Meb qualifies. He is certainly "inhabiting" America currently (and for approx 2/3 of his life), and I'm guessing a records search would show proof that he meets 3. |
| LawXC |
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I'm not sure what people don't understand here. Meb is in fact an American citizen and should be allowed to represent the USA as he probably loves the country more than many American-born citizens. However, the issue is distance running is dominated by runners that were born in East Africa. Even if everyone on the earth were of neutral ethnicity I would still be bitching about how distance running is dominated by people born in East Africa. Meb, like the rest of the winning crowd, was born in East Africa. Shorter's accomplishments as well as Salazar's are not disputed because they weren't born in East Africa. Everyone pulled for Mottram because we was the underdog in that he was not born in East Africa. Many American-born people really want an American-born athlete to beat East African-born runners, because they are the underdogs and because a large number of people in America are American-born without East African genetics, which whether they play a factor or not have a trend of creating quality distance runners. I hope this makes sense. |
| Don Kardonkey |
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3. citizen of the united states. Pretty sure Meb, Lagat, Shorter, Mills, etc. all had citizenship. Under that definition they are all Americans. |
| Jaycee Are |
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Vanderlei De Lima won bronze in 2004. He is from America. The southern part. The United States OF America is one country that is a part of America's northern continent. What I wonder is what kind of airflow system you have installed in your bubble. I mean poke some holes in that summabitch. I wouldn't want you to suffocate. |
| HRE |
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Yes, Shorter was born out of the country, like Meb was. But unlike Meb, he was born to US citizens. At no time in his life did he ever have to become a US citizen. That's different than Meb. |
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