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Which XC is better? Obviously D1 is the best but in order what is better D3 D2 or NAIA? |
| Sarcastro |
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D2 = Junior NCAA's D3 = Baby NCAA's NAIA = who cares NCAA's |
| sndfgtns |
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Aren't alot of the D3 national standards in track harder than D2? |
| It depends |
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Look at the program at each school. Don't try to lump them (each institution at that level) together. |
| doo doo |
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Actually its just who cares NAIAs since it isnt NCAA sanctioned. |
| jamesfranco |
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I guess it depends on what you are looking for. I tend to think of d2 schools as larger universities, d3 schools as smaller liberal arts colleges, and naia schools as places where most folks are just happy to be pursuing a degree of any kind. But that is just generally and academically speaking. If all you care about is running I would say go to one of the following Western State, Adams State, Chico State, Queens College, or University of Wisconsin LaCross. |
| Guppy |
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Many D1 programs suck ass. Many D2 programs (and probably D3 and NAIA, I wouldn't know) are good. It really just depends on the school. The only problem is that no one really seems to care about anything other than D1, unless of course they're not D1. It's almost as if the others don't even exist sometimes. If you're running well, who really cares though? Others surely know better than I do, but in general isn't D2 best with D3 and NAIA about equal, maybe NAIA being a little behind? Idk... The guy who has all the middle distance records at Black Hills State (600m-3000m indoors I think) was national champion, and he was "only" a 1:51/4:09 guy. I probably have those times wrong as I'm going off the top of my head, but it's something like that. In some D1 conferences, those times won't even get you to the finals. Can't really comment on D2 or D3 as I don't follow them. Sorry to all the babies out there running at their baby schools. ;) |
| Not a Hero |
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I ran at a top NAIA school and I can tell you that if you are at a top 10 NAIA school you could probably be a solid contributor to all but maybe the top 5 or so D2 and any D3. On top of that there are a lot of D1 schools where I would have been top 5 in cross easily. Just look at the Big XII cross results and you will see that being DI does not make you fast. All that being said, you can't really judge the divisions as a whole. IMO, you have to look at it on a school by school basis. |
| runinto |
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if you mean faster with more depth then it's definitely d2. many of the top d2 guys can compete with most d1 guys. there is no lack of competition. even scotty bauhs had multiple guys to race last year (braun, kirwa, cheseto) and he was the best collegiate 10k runner overall |
| D3 Alum |
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I am a fan of D3, personally. Young adults running for the love of running. No 7 year seniors on these rosters. Just 5 years to use 4 years of NCAA eligibility. However, D1 is far more competitive. D2 does not interest nor impress me. Many D3 teams smoke NAIA and D2 schools without scholarships and being generally MUCH more expensive than most D2 schools. |
| kudos |
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NAIA has a few individuals that are top D1 caliber. D2 has a few more. D3 generally has none, but it is as competitive as D2 beyond these top few individuals. NAIA has much less competitive depth than D2 and D3 (which, again, are about equal to each other after the top few D2 individuals are factored out). |
| D trois |
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It is also worth noting (since the vast majority of runners in general and particularly those outside D1 will never run professionally) that D3 is home to many of the strongest academic schools in the country. Schools such as Carnegie Mellon, NYU, Emory, Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Middlebury, Bowdoin, Bates, Colby, Washington Univ in St. Louis, University of Chicago etc. are all D3. D2 and NAIA do not have any schools of the same elite caliber. This is not to say that you cannot also gain an excellent education in D2 or NAIA. |
| Not a Hero |
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I think the above two posts are pretty good summaries of the athletic side and the academic side of D2, D3, and NAIA. |
| r2-D2 |
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2009 performance list top 5k times NAIA D3 D1 13:33 - 14:07 - 13:27 14:20 - 14:18 - 13:28 14:21 - 14:19 - 13:29 14:25 - 14:22 - 13:30 14:30 - 14:24 - 13:36 14:34 - 14:26 - 13:37 14:40 - 14:27 - 13:39 14:41 - 14:27 - 13:41 14:42 - 14:28 - 13:42 14:44 - 14:28 - 13:43 14:45 - 14:29 - 13:45 14:46 - 14:29 - 13:46 14:52 - 14:30 - 13:46 14:53 - 14:31 - 13:47 14:54 - 14:35 - 13:49 D3>NAIA |
| ncia |
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5,000 meter track race: NAIA - 36 guys sub 15:10 - 18 guys sub 15:00 - 6 guys sub 14:40 Div III - 30 guys sub 14:45 - 17 guys sub 14:40 - 3 guys sub 14:20 Div II - 34 guys sub 14:45 - 26 guys sub 14:40 - 17 guys sub 14:20 10,000 meter track race: NAIA - 26 guys sub 32:00 - 10 guys sub 31:30 - 5 guys sub 31:15 Div III - 41 guys sub 31:10 - 14 sub 30:30 guys - 1 sub 30:00 guy Div II - (list cuts off at 30:58) 31 guys sub 30:59 - 18 guys sub 30:30 - 10 guys sub 30:00 Their are the following number of schools in each division that sponsor outdoor track and cross country: NAIA - 153 (OT) - 208 (xc) Div III - 257 (OT) - 368 (xc) Div II - 165 (OT) - 245 (xc) Div III has good depth. Div II has good depth but a great top 15 or so guys. NAIA has little depth but usually has a guy or two that are really good. Div III has mostly small schools but has rather large schools as well. Div II typically has large schools but also has a good portion of small private schools. NAIA usually has a mix but leans more towards the smaller side of things. Div III doesn't offer athletic scholarships but does have means to make school affordable for athletes (they get paid just like anyone else). Most of all Div II and NAIA schools do not fully fund their track/xc programs - so basically everyone is on the same playing field. If you want the best combination of sports and athletics, Div II is the way to go. If you want more focus on athetlics with less post season competition, Div III is the way to go. If you want by far the easiest chance to make nationals and become an All-American, all while getting a decent education - NAIA is for you. |
| spaz medicine |
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i can only think of one excellent d2 school academically that has a solid distance program and that's colorado school of mines. are there any others in d2? |
| intheknow71 |
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Florida Southern College has a good DII XC team and is a great academic school. |
| Actually |
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Florida Southern and Colorado Mines are only "great" or "excellent" schools if you are willing to apply that adjective to nearly every school in the country. |
| ncia |
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Whoops, I meant: If you want the best combination of sports and ACADEMICS, Div II is the way to go. (my dang NCIA edumacation go me) Div III has many average academic schools at best but there are certainly a dozen or two that are excellent schools. They are the exception to the majority. |
| emes |
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man this thread sucks with all its naia bs |
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