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6. BYU (12) - Beat Oregon in Oregon. Ran right with Alabama. Led by 5th-year soph Miles Batty, 7th-year senior Rich Nelson, Syracuse's FM standout Tommy Grunewald, 4th-year soph Alden Bahr and 6th-year junior Nathan Ogden. Holy shit, a 7th YEAR SENIOR?!?! Is that a joke, 5th YEAR SOPH?!?! Come on that is completely unfair, their team is comprised of 25 year olds. NCAA should not allow this, that is completely ridiculous. The only reason they are any good is that the are 4 years older than everyone else. I realize they do some missionary stuff, but that is completely unfair that they are allowed to compete at that age. What a bunch of bullshit. |
| emes |
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hey man screw you, the mormons are out fulfilling their religion having to take 2 or more years off of running |
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Not that I agree with the OP, but you don't really think they're taking those two years off from running, do you? |
| avon barksdale |
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They get about a half hour each morning for exercise. Aside from all the walking and biking they do during the day, that's it. Sure these guys are 24-25, but it's not like they pound out 120 mile weeks while on their missions. |
| Statics |
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What makes you think the NCAA is an age group competition? Are you going to complain that it's not fair that Bekele's older than Rupp the next time they race? |
| Jumpa4598 |
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sure, helping out the world like they are is awesome, i am not disputing that, it is just completely unfair to have a team full of 25 year olds when everyone else is like 20. Why dont they go save the world after college? There should definitely be a rule saying you cant compete after like age 23. Think how their team would be then. |
| cheesedog67 |
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I agree with you jumpa. It is completely unfair and it should not be allowed. Save the world after college, or quit when you turn 23. |
| jamaicanmecrazy |
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its bullshit, just like the mormon religion. |
| Jumpa4598 |
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Well, here in the American collegiate system, you go to college after high school at like 18 and graduate at like 22, give or take a year. Those are the years you go to college just like high school so those are the ages you get to compete. After that in the pro circuit age doesnt matter but in the NCAA it is completely unfair that a freshman 18 year old is racing a 7th year 26 year old senior. So if you agree with this, then its prefectly fine for a 4th grader to race a senior. Same exct scenario. |
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they don't take anything off from running, they take 2 years off from SCHOOL sure, but not running.. I know they (their coaches as well as athletes) try to dispel the myth that they are running 100mile weeks while on mission and "actually come back overweight and out of shape," .... that is totally false, while they might not be running 100 mile weeks they are still running and getting 2 years older and faster, thats why they always come back from mission FASTER than when they left.. |
| IWentOnAMission |
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There's a shocking amount of misinformation going around here. Mormon missionaries have a highly regimented schedule that controls when you wake up and go to bed, when you study, how long you eat, where you can go, who you can talk to....you get the picture. 6:30 to 7am is the time allotted for exercise. Now let's keep in mind of couple of things here. Missionaries have to wake up at 6:30am everyday for two years(barring major illness). EVERYDAY. There's no saturday sleep-in session. I can assure you all from experience that you don't exactly jump out of bed at 6:30am every morning under such circumstances. Now, let's say that you actually woke up on time, you are now faced with many other issues. You are probably extremely sore and depleted from walking an average of 6-7 miles the previous day in dress shoes on third world asphalt roads. Sounds easy? Try doing that for one year without ever taking a break and tell me how your body feels. Next you get to deal with the general lack of body energy and power which can be generally attributed to sub-standard foreign diets. I ate meat maybe once every two weeks. Half the time you are scraping by just barely financially and sometimes have to skip meals to save cash(remember missionaries pay for their mission, they recieve no salary). If you actually are motivated enough to brave and get yourself out the door to run, you now face the BIGGEST obstacle to beneficial running training. Your missionary partner. Missionaries are never allowed to be alone. You always must have your serving partner within sight and hearing at all times(except bathroom obviously). So unless you are serving a mission with another D1 collegiate runner(highly highly unlikely), you can either force your overweight partner to run your pace, or you can run his pace. Which one do you think is most likely to happen? Remember you have only 30 minutes. Not to mention you spend all your time and energy serving and helping people, learning a difficult language, and enjoying a new culture that you generally start to lose interest and focus on things that don't ultimately matter in life(while I love running, God doesn't care what your 5k time was). On my mission I maybe ran 5 times over two years. It was just for fun, and yes, I ran my partners pace, so it was practically walking. But even if I had found myself paired up with some all-american XC runner, I was so malnourished and tired from the enviroment, that I think anything more than 10 miles a week would have killed me. That's seriously the condition you are looking out. Anyone who thinks taking two years off to serve a mission will give them an unfair advantage in collegiate sports is seriously misinformed about what missionaries actually do. In fact, I think BYU performs well DESPITE their athletes all having served mission. That can only attest to their great coaches and training. Hope you enjoyed my post. I'm sure someone will be angry and call me a cult-heretic, but I needed to explain the overwhelming information dichotomy in this thread. |
| avon barksdale |
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False. They are not training in a way that will make them faster. Are they running? Well, some do, and some don't. But those that are running are maybe doing 30 miles per week. If that. But actually, you're right. The whole LDS Church was formed just as a way to get some 25 year old racing 18 year olds in cross country. |
| Jumpa4598 |
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Hey, thank you for all the personal insight, it was very interesting. But that still doesnt change the fact that you are still naturally maturing and growing towards your physical peak of the mid-late twenties. Having these 2 years off gives you two extra years closer to your physical peak. It is still unfair since they are older. |
| avon barksdale |
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I'm 27 and haven't run a step in over a year. So are you saying I should jump into a college race unattached next weekend? Since I'm older than all of my competitors I'll clean up, right? |
| beentheredonethat |
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I am 20 years old now, and I spent the last two years doing f***-all in terms of running, after two years of very little. I was last fast when I was 16 and in high school. Trust me, training is more important than age. If I had to choose, I'd certainly pick being 18 and having had four years of high school training over being 20 and not having trained properly in two years. And it's not like no one else is allowed to run as an older college student. News flash: colleges accept people of any age, and NCAA eligibility rules work the same for anyone. You really think it'll help you to dominate the NCAA, then take 6 years of training and be a 24 year old freshman. You've got the right. Fact is, the NCAA isn't your little 18-22 year old bush league. It's for any college athlete. And colleges isn't for people in the late teens/early 20's, they're for any adult that wants an education and can hack it. (And some non-adults too. There've been 14 year olds in my classes.) You can't handle running with the big boys, that is your problem and no one else's. I know guys that went to college when they were 15, 16. Good runners too. Did they bitch and moan about how everyone was older than them? Hell no. Because they had a pair. Case study. Know who else is young for his grade? Chris Derrick. Went to Stanford at 17. Do you think he cries himself to sleep, wishing that he didn't have to face big bad BYU 25-year-olds? Probably not--the pathetic whiny attitude you've displayed is not compatible with the mindset of a truly dedicated, hard-working athlete. Suppose you go to MIT and have problem sets to do every night, while another guy goes to JokeSchool Tech and does nothing but train. Is it unfair that you have a heavier academic workload to fit training around? Fairness doesn't mean everyone has the same background, or that everyone gets the same advantages in their lives. It means that you race the same distance they do, and the winner is the one who crosses the finish line first. That's it. |
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Just a few questions from me about this...something I don't pretend to know anything about....but true questions:
So, are you saying you CANNOT get up earlier to workout? There are ABSOLUTELY NO EXCEPTIONS? Because if there are any exceptions, I'd expect the athletes to get 'em.
Well, welcome to the real world...I get up at 4:45am EVERYDAY....on order to do a workout. And, when I was in college, I got up at 6:00am to do my morning workout so I could get to my 7:30am class.
Most third world roads aren't asphalt. They're dirt or gravel. Waking up on-time is a red-herring. Are you saying the schedule is the problem?
I understand the diet is different, but after getting used to a better diet (more fruits, vegetables, and water), isn't it an overall better diet?
So, again, there is ABSOLUTELY no exception to this? And what's to stop me from taking an "extra long" bathroom break? I can hear myself now to my missionary partner "Hey, I heard they had a great outhouse over in Forgetistan province, I'm gonna run over there and check it out..."
Even if you get up early?
Actually God does care if it means you can reach more people that way.
So, it may matter where you end up doing your mission....right?
I believe there are exceptions here...and may be made for athletes at BYU...having known a number of Cougar athletes myself...seems to me that they had some flexibility that you don't show in your post....but I guess I could be wrong, and they got lucky.
I actually did enjoy your post....and I like the discussion. |
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where do they get shoes? |
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if guys started waiting to enter college until age 24 or 25 and then ran through age 29-30, everyone would be crying foul. the mormons push the limit a bit with their wacko cult BS, so people can't say much in public (very un-PC). anyway, it's not a huge deal. |
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if guys started waiting to enter college until age 24 or 25 and then ran through age 29-30, everyone would be crying foul. the mormons push the limit a bit with their wacko cult BS, so people can't say much in public (very un-PC). anyway, it's not a huge deal.[/quote] no, no one would be crying foul. did anyone piss and moan when chris weinke was a QB? did anyone piss and moan when i was in school and we had a 35 y/o woman as a sprinter on our women's team 7 years ago? how can byu have a legit team you ask? it's very simple, the NCAA doesn't say otherwise. instead of getting on a message board and pissing and moaning about a school that is kicking your ass and not breaking any rules (and for the record, i do believe that being 24,25,26 is an advantage for them despite the time off.) if you want it to change, work your ass off, get a job at the ncaa and make some dumb ass rule that you can't be a certain age and compete in college athletics. but, make sure it applies to redshirts, too. you're arguing the same premise. |
| J.R. |
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The rules should be the same for everyone. They are not the same for Mormans, which is total BS. |
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