How will I know when I can run again? OVERTRAINED

Shai Hulud wrote:

I recently took three weeks off and ran about 25 minutes every day

wait...what? (I think I've found your problem.)

cross bluntry wrote:

Shai Hulud wrote:

I recently took three weeks off and ran about 25 minutes every day

wait...what? (I think I've found your problem.)

After I took the three weeks I started back by jogging for 25 minutes. And then on the third week I started feeling awful again.

This same thing has happened numerous times.

Shai Hulud wrote:

When I was in really good shape it never dropped below 52 and recently I've recorded it at 48 and I just feel sluggish and awful when I run

I always thought when overtrained resting HR goes UP not DOWN.

Maybe it's not overtrained physically but more burned out psychologically (in terms of running, that is).

I would just stick to whatever u are in the mood for. If you don't feel like running, go drink a beer. :)

Nutella wrote:

Shai Hulud wrote:

When I was in really good shape it never dropped below 52 and recently I've recorded it at 48 and I just feel sluggish and awful when I run

I always thought when overtrained resting HR goes UP not DOWN.

Maybe it's not overtrained physically but more burned out psychologically (in terms of running, that is).

I would just stick to whatever u are in the mood for. If you don't feel like running, go drink a beer. :)

That's what I thought too, but I've just been feeling like my whole body's just given up and slowed down. I can't even get my heartrate up where I want it anymore. It's like my body won't let me train anymore.

Jack Daniels dose a really good job describing hypertraining (overtraining) in his running formula book. See if you pick up a copy, it sounds like if you have this problem then that section will help and once you start your phase 1 base period, not to over train anymore.

JB

definitely have your iron levels checked. Now. and not just hemoglobin - get the works (especially ferritin)

Get some Melange

The spice must flow

I've had my iron levels and thyroid checked and everything is apparently in working order. I haven't been 100% in over a year and it's been hell. I screwed myself up by fighting through it and now I'm paying for it in a big way. I know I just trained too hard and I just want to know if anyone knows how much rest I'll need.

It started when I ran too hard in the summer of '08. I did too much mileage and intensity at the same time. I ran the XC anyway and still somehow managed to run decent despite my condtition, then I ran indoor and then outdoor. Horrible idea. I continued to ignore my body and tried to get a base. That didn't work out too well. And not I'm here and completely thrashed.

Does anyone have any idea how much rest I'm going to need?

Yeah, but doctor's opinion of "working order" is not the same as a competitive athletes. You might still have some sort of blood deficiency. If your GP has a partner that is a sports doctor, I'd try going to him.

When I overtrained, I took off a full five weeks. When I got back into running, it still didn't make me long to recover and get back to where I was (and better). I would suggest a longer recovery period, make sure you get a lot of sleep, watch your diet next time, and don't run so hard in workouts.

However, if your heart rate is a 48, you're not over training. Your legs might feel sluggish, but you're not overtraining. You might be poorly training, or running too fast on the wrong days, but you're not training too much yet.

Yeah, but doctor's opinion of "working order" is not the same as a competitive athletes. You might still have some sort of blood deficiency. If your GP has a partner that is a sports doctor, I'd try going to him.

When I overtrained, I took off a full five weeks. When I got back into running, it still didn't make me long to recover and get back to where I was (and better). I would suggest a longer recovery period, make sure you get a lot of sleep, watch your diet next time, and don't run so hard in workouts.

However, if your heart rate is a 48, you're not over training. Your legs might feel sluggish, but you're not overtraining. You might be poorly training, or running too fast on the wrong days, but you're not training too much yet.

My doctor is actually pretty good. He's a runner himslef and has worked with some very talented runners over the years. Lots of pros and NCAA all Americans.

I also found this-

"Two types of overtraining have been proposed to result from significant changes within the nervous system. Either the sympathetic or the parasympathetic nervous system may dominate. It has been suggested that if the sympathetic overtraining dominates it will lead to increased resting pulse rate and decreased pulse recovery after exercise, decreased body mass and loss of appetite, disturbed sleep, emotional instability and sweating. Elevated basal metabolism, ECG abnormalities and negative nitrogen balance may also result from sympathetic overtraining.

Symptoms of parasympathetic overtraining appear to be directed towards more subtle changes initially which mimic the effects of training improvements. These factors may include early fatigue, low basic pulse rate, rapid return of heart rate to basal levels with low blood pressure, hypoglycemia and progressive anemia and digestive disturbances. Overall sympathetic and parasympathetic overtraining are both functionally represented by significant decreases in work capacity. It has also been argued that speed and power athletes may be more prone to sympathetic overtraining while endurance athletes may be more prone to parasympathetic overtraining. Furthermore young athletes may be more susceptible to sympathetic problems while older athletes may exhibit the symptoms of parasympathetic overtraining."

link-

http://www.rehabtoracing.com/Overtraining.php

Bump.

Has anyone experienced this?

Suggestion: Check with a registered dietitian to go over your nutrition sources. You may be lacking some essential minerals in your diet.

Okay, how do I make this easy? - You will know. It is literally that simple. It can take one guy three weeks, another six but when it happens you will know. Take time off- forget the sport and DO NOT RESEARCH ANYTHING!! It is honestly the worst thing you can do. why? because you will ALWAYS go for the worst case scenario. You saw one thing in that text and decided that it 'best fits' your case. NO!! I could start asking an array of questions- how is your sleeping pattern? eating? General well being? mood? ALL IRRELEVANT at this stage. Take time off - go swing a golf club, get with a girl and enjoy being a kid for a bit. You will know when it is time to run.

good luck

phdonburnout wrote:

Okay, how do I make this easy? - You will know. It is literally that simple. It can take one guy three weeks, another six but when it happens you will know. Take time off- forget the sport and DO NOT RESEARCH ANYTHING!! It is honestly the worst thing you can do. why? because you will ALWAYS go for the worst case scenario. You saw one thing in that text and decided that it 'best fits' your case. NO!! I could start asking an array of questions- how is your sleeping pattern? eating? General well being? mood? ALL IRRELEVANT at this stage. Take time off - go swing a golf club, get with a girl and enjoy being a kid for a bit. You will know when it is time to run.

good luck

That's probably exactly what I needed. Thank you.