I disagree. how about you?
I disagree. how about you?
If we're talking currently I'd say he couldn't even break 5:30. I don't think he'd ever break 4:30, even with years of mile specific training.
spox wrote:
I disagree. how about you?
He might be able to break 5 but probably not 4:30. I wonder could he break Michael Johnsons's 30.85 300m world record right now doing nothing different in his training? I think he could do it fairly easily.
I don't see how you think it would not be possible for him to run under 4.30. There have been people that have run under 4.30 in their first attempt in Running the mile. The guy obviously is athletic, obviously trains. Not for that certain event but im sure you seen high school soccer players come out on a typical high school team and run a 4.40 and or even sub 4.40. The guy is a pro athlete at a world class level. The sport "running" is not this impossible feat for some people. Some people can train very little or "play" a different sport switch to running and run a sub 17 5k, again on the the high school level. So for a world record holder to run the mile yes I think he can beat a little bit above average high school time 4.30.
whatever dude.i saw a clip of carl lewis back in the day in a competition against pro sports guys. one of the events was running 800m, carl SUCKED ASS, i don't think that he ran any better than 230 and was spent at the end.sorry, but sprinting and running a mile have nothing in common.
Ran a few times wrote:
I don't see how you think it would not be possible for him to run under 4.30. There have been people that have run under 4.30 in their first attempt in Running the mile. The guy obviously is athletic, obviously trains. Not for that certain event but im sure you seen high school soccer players come out on a typical high school team and run a 4.40 and or even sub 4.40. The guy is a pro athlete at a world class level. The sport "running" is not this impossible feat for some people. Some people can train very little or "play" a different sport switch to running and run a sub 17 5k, again on the the high school level. So for a world record holder to run the mile yes I think he can beat a little bit above average high school time 4.30.
Ran a few times wrote:
I don't see how you think it would not be possible for him to run under 4.30. There have been people that have run under 4.30 in their first attempt in Running the mile. The guy obviously is athletic, obviously trains. Not for that certain event but im sure you seen high school soccer players come out on a typical high school team and run a 4.40 and or even sub 4.40. The guy is a pro athlete at a world class level. The sport "running" is not this impossible feat for some people. Some people can train very little or "play" a different sport switch to running and run a sub 17 5k, again on the the high school level. So for a world record holder to run the mile yes I think he can beat a little bit above average high school time 4.30.
Physiology fail.
bruce jenner 4:07 1500m?
We had a 48.3/1:52 guy come out for xc one year. In preparation he'd been running about 35mpw. He ran one mile all out his first day just to see where he was at and he ran 4:58. If you think a 100/200m guy could run under 4:30 without any specific training, you're crazy. Completely different energy systems.
Ran a few times wrote:
I don't see how you think it would not be possible for him to run under 4.30. There have been people that have run under 4.30 in their first attempt in Running the mile. The guy obviously is athletic, obviously trains. Not for that certain event but im sure you seen high school soccer players come out on a typical high school team and run a 4.40 and or even sub 4.40. The guy is a pro athlete at a world class level. The sport "running" is not this impossible feat for some people. Some people can train very little or "play" a different sport switch to running and run a sub 17 5k, again on the the high school level. So for a world record holder to run the mile yes I think he can beat a little bit above average high school time 4.30.
if you by the premise that bolt could do it, i think you would have to also argue that everyone in the 100m/200 final in berlin and beijing, could run sub 4:30 as well, and do you really believe that?
No you wouldn't. Bolt is also a 45 low 1/4 miler. Not too many of the 100/200 guys can say that. Basically that means that he can stride a 60 second 1/4. Even accounting for any psychological difficulties 4:30 is definitely within the realm of possibilities.
Now I know as distance runners you guys think that your events are the holy grail and lowly sprinters cannot hope to achieve it. But, I ran a 4:46 1500 on my first attempt while out of shape. I was a d3 1/4 miler with nowhere near Bolt's speed. 4:30 is possible.
so your argument is you ran about a 5:08 mile "out of shape?"
your argument is still nonsensical. okay the other 100/200 guys may not run 44 or 45low, but what would they run then, 47, 48? even 49? you would still then say that they could "stride a 60s quarter", and run 67.xs. but they couldn't.
it's not an ego thing. it's an experience thing. to relate it to guys you can envision: d3 quarter milers - hanneus ollison, brandon rock - sub 430 guys, please? bolt, michael johnson, same thing. it's laughable to to think they could. could they ever, some day, training like that? i would never say it wouldn't be possible. but could bolt go do it tomorrow? i'd bet my paycheck he couldnt.
KUFI wrote:
I ran a 4:46 1500 on my first attempt while out of shape. I was a d3 1/4 miler with nowhere near Bolt's speed. 4:30 is possible.
We're not talking about the 1500, we're talking about the mile. Go look at the 1500 results from the decathlets in the olympics. None of those guys can come close to breaking 4:30 in the mile and these are the best athletes in the world. Bolt would not even break 5.
The decathletes had competed in 9 other events in 2 days and none of those guys had Bolt's speed/speed endurance. I actually think Bolt running 4:30 is reasonable.
Spinoff question: Do you think Wariner or Merritt could run a 4:30 right now?
I've seen Merritt break 2:00 pretty easily in the 800, but he's also a behemoth. Who knows.
Alls I know is Bekele does not have the look of a fast distance runner. If he showed up to a road race with long shorts and trainers I would laugh at him. He has heavy and not especially long legs. He and Tergat next to each other would look like polar opposites. What a freak on nature though. Also, I'm thinking he could get every indoor WR from the mile up.
yes, bolt could. if not immediately, then after some light training. 4:30 is not that fast.
spox wrote:
I disagree. how about you?
And I don't think you could break 3:30 for the 200, people agree and people disagree.
Bolt would a better chance of breaking 4:30 off of no training whatsoever than off of sprint training. I was in 4:40 mile shape in high school, nothing special, but one year I decided to do purely sprinting for track. It was intense training, we did hard workouts 3-4 times a week, and I FELT like I was in shape. At the end of the season when I started doing distance runs again, my legs started BURNING when I had to go longer than 3 miles. I did a mile time trial to see where I was at, and it felt awful. I ran a 5:20 all out, and it was rough. That was after 2 years of distance training too, but after a few months it was all gone and I felt like crap. I'd gone a few months of no running or WALKING for that matter from injury, when I was in WORSE shape, and still broke 5 minutes. My body changed drastically though from the sprinting training, I couldn't hold a pace.
I realize I'm not a world class athlete like Bolt, but at least I can say from EXPERIENCE, and not just assertions, that the body of a sprinter does NOT like distance running.
My argument is that you guys don't give 1/4 milers enough credit for their endurance. To you guys (generalization), if someone isn't putting up huge mileage then they can't run fast times in distances over 800m. Now i'm not sure what Bolt/Wariner/Merritt's training methods are. But i'd put my paycheck on all of those guys going under 4:30.
Oh I agree the the body of a sprinter does not like distance running. I'm not suggesting Bolt will break the world record, or that his time now would be the best he could possibly be. I'm simply saying that 4:30 isn't that fast and I'm willing to be my next paycheck that he could run it (assuming he really tried).