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Gotta be U of Oregon..then maybe Villanova...Arkansas....
I am guessing (without any research) that it is ...
1) Oregon
2) Arkansas
3) Stanford
4) Indiana
5) Michigan
... after that there are probably a bunch of schools with 3-5 like Eastern Michigan, Wisconsin, Colorado ... but maybe not so many as I am just counting a sub-4:00 mile and not 3:42 1500s.
I think there are "only" about 300 American sub-4:00s, but with foreign runners there could be 500-600 sub-4:00 performers to spread around all the different schools.
villanova, oregon & arkansas have approximately 20+. after that, no other schools are close.
this may help:
to qualify; they would have had to have broken 4 minutes or the equivalent (3:42) while they were IN college; not Post college.
not really..... wrote:
to qualify; they would have had to have broken 4 minutes or the equivalent (3:42) while they were IN college; not Post college.
Text to column and sorted in Excel (mile times only). Oregon by a country mile (24). Stanford (9) and then Arkansas (8).
I didn't sort them, but counted them. Yes, Oregon leads by a country mile with 24. The interesting thing is that they have had very few breaks with many years without another batch of sub 4 guys...pretty impressive. I notices that the list also includes Paul Geis, Jim Grelle, Ken Martin and Shannon Lemore, but shows them with clubs, rather than Oregon. Since I believe all four of these ran sub 4 at Oregon, the times must reflect thier fastest lifetime miles....so, Oregon actually has at least 28 of these sub 4 milers.
This website picks up more Oregon runners who broke the sub 4 barrier while at Oregon:
http://www.tracktownusa.com/track.item.7/duck-sub-fours.html
I noticed that foreign athletes who ran for Oregon were not on the other list. These include the two Kvalheim's, Joaquim Cruz, etc. The list also did not include Jim Bailey who broke the barrier in 1956 (3:58.6) and Colin Dalton (1991). Finally, the list did not include another five Oregon runners who became sub 4 in 2008-9 (A.J. Acosta, Andrew Wheating, Matt Centrowitz, Galen Rupp and Jordan McNamara). So, it appears that Oregon has a total of around 40. (the original list of 24, addition of 5 during the past year, Bailey and Dalton, four not listed because faster times came after college (Lemora, Grelle, Geis and Ken Martin) and at least 4 foreign athletes.
DeVry
Actually the count is 41. You missed Matt Centrowitz Sr., who ran 3:59.2 in 1975 as a Duck. When you look at it this way, you really appreciate what a great mile tradition that Oregon has had.
Arkansas has 66 guys that broke 3:42 while in college....not all are, of course, from the US, but all times were run in college or during the summer after senior year (which counts on every schools top ten list).
Also pulled up the Stanford top 10 list...number 10 in the 1500 is 3:38....I would have to guess they have another ten or so (min..) b/w 3:38.5-3:41.99
Looks like Oregon has the most "americans," and Arkansas has the most overall....by far.
The real issue in this debate is whether we are including converted 1500m times. If not we are highly favoring teams that were powerhouses in the 1960s and 1970s when the *full* mile was actually run in outdoor competition. If we include converted times then we are giving a fighting chance to more recent powerhouses such as Arkansas and Stanford
Would like to revisit this thread of what school has the most sub 4 minute milers, with the caveat that they had to run a full mile as an undergraduate and not have a converted 1500 time.
Can't speak for any other schools beyond Oregon, but after last weekend, Washington has 14 sub 4 minute milers all time.
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NOTC Hall of Fame is a Joke wrote:
As much as I love the mile I think you have to include the 1500 meters. There are schools that just don't compete that often in the mile.
It's an archaic stat anymore. Mile is really only contested indoors these days. And honestly, it's just not relevant.
Another interesting question is which high schools have the most alumni who've run sub 4?
My school has two and I guess that's rare.
Some school in Minnesota has 4 (I THINK Blankenship went there?).
A few have 2 or 3.
My school also has a sub 4:30 woman and the two sub 4 guys.
That's rare, too.
Tom Higgenson of the Plain White T's wrote:
NOTC Hall of Fame is a Joke wrote:
As much as I love the mile I think you have to include the 1500 meters. There are schools that just don't compete that often in the mile.
It's an archaic stat anymore. Mile is really only contested indoors these days. And honestly, it's just not relevant.
I say count converted while you still have eligibility (summer after graduating wouldn't count unless you have eligibility left because you red shirted (or the covid year recently).
What I would like to know is how many schools have at least 1 undergrad that ran a sub-four mile.