Look, at this point, nobody (not even Jamaican fanboys) have any doubt that he has used.
But that's not the point.
The old line was "so what, everyone is using". And it was correct. Bolt was still the best of the best. He squarely beat all the other fastest dopers in history--in order, Blake, Gay, Powell, and Gatlin.
The new line is that nobody really cares. People have moved on psychologically, to a "whatever" mentality, and either enjoy the races and times of even former dopers who return to competition, or alternatively, who just lose their interest in sprints altogether. You find both types.
Maybe unfortunately, many people fall into the second category. No wonder, when so many convicted dopers are competing now.
Sprintgeezer wrote:
Look, at this point, nobody (not even Jamaican fanboys) have any doubt that he has used.
But that's not the point.
The old line was "so what, everyone is using". And it was correct. Bolt was still the best of the best. He squarely beat all the other fastest dopers in history--in order, Blake, Gay, Powell, and Gatlin.
This is possibly the greatest BS people use. Different bodies react differently to doping, who it isn’t true that a doped Bolt > doped Gay implies that non doped Bolt > non doped Gay
Consider, for instance, something related. When they introduced LZR swimsuits in 2008 you saw, all of a sudden, mediocre athletes beating champions. What has happened to Alain Bernard, Stephanie Rice, Milorad Cavic ?
You are correct that different bodies react differently to doping, but it is also true that the fastest of all-time (the "best") have all been dopers, and Bolt has beaten them all.
That makes him the best of the best, in point of fact. I personally do not believe he would be the best of the best if he was clean, nor would he be if all sprinters, ever, had been clean.
An "intelligent conversation" would involve going by evidence, not speculating and repeating hearsay.
P.S. Sprint geezer is an IDIOT!
Well SG is probaby a doper, he goes on about it so much. So naturally he thinks that all the top athletes are dopers too?
"Detective" is a moron who doesn't have the vaguest understanding of either the meaning of "evidence", or the various forms of reasoning.
1. I don't dope, and I never have.
2. I don't "think" that "all the top athletes are dopers"; I, and now you, KNOW that every single athlete (except Bolt) who has ever sprinted a legitimate wind-legal 9.80-and-below time has tested positive for a banned substance (Blake, Gay, Powell, Gatlin, Montgomery, Johnson, Mullings), or has been outed by those who know (Greene).
It's called REALITY. Deal with it.
1.
the new steroid panel for biological passport came into effect
jan 1 2014 , whether any good ,will find out.
2.
many factors to these times
doping plus height would best sum it up.
3.
without peptide use like IGF-1 LR3
dont see it as possible .
perfect for longer legged athletes ,peak cycle .
athletics dirty little secret .
igf-1 lr3 and strong steroids is the difference.
probably aided endurance also .
Just look up the IAAF 200m results for the period of 2005-2008 and count the times in 2005-2007 when Bolt finished second. He was a consistent 19.9 guy--FOR SEVERAL YEARS--with the exception of one race in Jamaica (their NC I think) where he ran 19.75.
In meet after meet, Usain would get out ahead in a 200...and his good friend Wallace Spearmon would run him down from behind. In 2007, Bolt lost to Spearmon in New York, in Sheffield, and he lost to Gay in Osaka.
Then, suddenly, in 2008 Bolt was untouchable...and the margin was huge.
Without phamacology, it doesn't work that way.
Along the same lines, note the date of the first SARM becoming available, and the date of Asafa Powell's first WR.
Also, when Powell was on top, there was a post Charlie Francis made where he said Asafa was doing more acceleration development that Ben Johnson...and that doesn't count the 4000+ meters of intensive tempo that we now know that Asafa was ALSO doing.
Any questions?
Yes. It will be found out sooner or later.
Yes, there are many factors to these times, but the only one that is common to ALL these times, and that is not necessarily common to fast sprinters in general, is that they are all doped.
Height has nothing to do with it, unless you want to talk about height as a "lack of shortness". No "short guys" on the list, but the vast majority are not "tall guys". Reported heights (often exaggerated):
Blake 5'11"
Gay 5'10"
Montgomery 5'10"
Johnson 5'10"
Greene 5'9"
Mullings 5'9"
Doping alone would, and does, best sum it up.
yeah real nice try
WHAT other SPRINTERS out there could do the same
if doped the same is the question !!!!!!!
OBVIOUSLY very few , need nessary height
or have those long legs but more precisely
the STRIDE LENGTH . with decent stride rate .
lemaitre ,jamican kbc .american bailey .THATS IT ..........
gatlin ,powell maybe but little more other way .
FOR ME LEMAITRE HAS/HAD THE MOST PROMISE ,as maybe like
seeing with blake now ,definitely needs something for
strength department and like bolt easily get him 2-3 metres
from improving start and transition which very basic.
and has good 200m endurance .but never know ,to late now.
career seems to be going south .
BOLTS SUCCESS BECOMES VERY DIFFICULT WITHOUT .
IGF-1 LR3 ..........................
EVEN WITH SERIOUS STEROID USE ALONE.
THIS PEPTIDE IS THE DIFFERENCE.
AS SEEING IN THE SPRINTS IN GENERAL .
THIS PEPTIDE IS THE DIFFERENCE.
free to use and needs to be , to get to peak cycle .
especially for the taller athlete
cycle those legs beyond what nature intended.
if add in serious steroids and igf-1 lr3
then that is the difference between the rest
or with gay as much testosterone as possible
but now have to definitely stay below 4:1 or be
isotope tested .
IT IS NOT SARMS ................
no known sarm will give you the strength
seeing with bolt and blake in 2008-2011.
off season ,dht based roids .
race season previously could of used SARMS S4 to cut
muscles ,androgenic enough but test for it easily now.
simply left with testosterone and peptides for now.
OMG not this Heredia crap again, also waiting for the next post suggesting that Healing Hans Muller-Wohlfahrt is pumping Bolt with steroids....
By the way a sub 19s 200m is coming next year.
BOLT the best that ever LIVED!
"BOLT the best that ever LIVED!"
Correction, Bolt is the best ever recorded.
And Muller-Wohlfahrt IS pumping Bolt, along with some other athletes like SAFP. It's been perfect...so far.
only if he can dope like before..........
still be two metres away.
time will till whether allowed to.
AND
cant abuse high hct for speed endurance
like gatlin at moment . with xenon excuse .
with PEDS left open for use barely break 19.50
still world class but dont believe the hype.
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