Is Bolt doping? An intelligent discussion

Bolt has been on Actovegin since he was 16/17, I reckon that in 10 years time we will learn that it aids performance or masks some PED in some way. Probably microdosing.

Next time have facts instead of bullshit, innuendo and un-founded allegations.

I would advise you contact your lawyers and prepare for litigation.

There is nothing intelligent about baseless speculation. Some people do not understand that reality is not a thought experiment and that conclusions need be based on evidence to have any validity.

A thoughtful piece of analysis wrote:

Bolt has been on Actovegin since he was 16/17, I reckon that in 10 years time we will learn that it aids performance or masks some PED in some way. Probably microdosing.

Water aids performance. So does green tea and coffee. If Actovegin is not on the list why does it bother you if an athlete uses it.

bboxbonn wrote:

With Usain Bolt's amazing performances over the 2008 Olympics and 2009 World Championships, and his fast rise to overwhelming domination in the 100 and 200, I feel as a fan of track and field and one who sincerely wants track to become popular and others like-minded, We need to dicuss the possibility of Bolt using some kind of performance enhancing drug. As much as I don't want it to be true, It seems a likely possibility.

Thought and opinion?

Please stay civil and with intelligent discourse.

There is nothing to discuss unless you have evidence to support your accusation.

I believe the venerable sg on such issues. Dude has been right every single time. Carter the latest. The list he made here is the closest thing I have seen to undoped reality

Your analysis is extremely stupid. It assumes that all athletes are genetically equal, that outliers do not exist, and that any given athlete's potential is limited by the achievements of others. If that's the case, why stop at 1983? Why not go back to 1912 and assume anyone who ran faster than Donald Lippincott (10.6h) must be on drugs? Bolt is a genetic freak among genetic freaks. One need only look at his physique to see that he is different. You may not like the fact that his life is so much better than yours, but that won't makes his acievents, enormous fortune, fame, or droves of willing young women go away. Just face facts.

Usain Bolt and Angel Heredia (Hernandez)

Is Usain Bolt on Steroids?

https://web.archive.org/web/20150905165210/http://www.muscleweek.com/is-usain-bolt-on-steroids

Excerpts from article:

“Bolt’s Coach is more of a Chemist than a Coach

According to the New York Times, Usain Bolt’s track coach Angel Hernandez has referred to himself as a chemist, scientist and nutritionist.”

“Here’s more from Usain’s ‘coach’ explaining his precise skill set as it applies to ‘coaching’ in that 2008 interview:

SPIEGEL: So you became a therapist for the athletes in matters of drugs?

Heredia: More like a coach. Together we found out what was good for which body and what the decomposition times were. I designed schedules for cocktails and regimens that depended on the money the athletes offered me. Street drugs for little money, designer drugs for tens of thousands. Usually I sent the drugs by mail, but sometimes the athletes came to me.”

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Usain Bolt Is Probably Doping (And You Know It)

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/08/12/bernstein-usain-bolt-is-probably-doping-and-you-know-it/

Excerpts from article:

“When people ask me about Bolt, I say he could be the greatest athlete of all time,” Carl Lewis told the Times of London. “But for someone to run 10.03 one year and 9.69 the next, if you don’t question that in a sport that has the reputation it has right now, you’re a fool. Period.”

“Anyone wasting words extolling the greatness of Usain Bolt should know better.”

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Is Usain Bolt clean?

http://sporton.sportsblog.com/posts/1178816/is_usain_bolt_clean_.html

Excerpt from article:

“JADCO, the Jamaican anti-doping agency, should be placed under heavy scrutiny, their out of competition testing methods and practises have been heavily criticised by the World anti-doping agency . . . As well as the aforementioned Blake and Powell other Jamaican athletes to fail drug controls in recent years have included two time Olympic champion Veronica Campbell-Brown and at the same Jamaican trials which Asafa Powell tested positive Sherone Simpson also fell foul of the doping controls.”

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Victor Conte claims many athletes used performance-enhancing drugs in preparation for 2012 London Olympics

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/victor-conte-claims-athletes-performance-enhancing-drugs-preparation-2012-london-olympics-article-1.1134190

Excerpt from article:

“Bolt, meanwhile, has worked recently with Angel Hernandez, the trainer formerly known as Angel (Memo) Heredia. Hernandez testified during Graham’s 2008 trial that he provided banned substances to disgraced Olympians Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery and other athletes. In a 2008 interview with The New York Times, Hernandez acknowledged that he had helped clients use performance-enhancing drugs and avoid detection.”

Run Doctor wrote:

bboxbonn wrote:

With Usain Bolt's amazing performances over the 2008 Olympics and 2009 World Championships, and his fast rise to overwhelming domination in the 100 and 200, I feel as a fan of track and field and one who sincerely wants track to become popular and others like-minded, We need to dicuss the possibility of Bolt using some kind of performance enhancing drug. As much as I don't want it to be true, It seems a likely possibility.

Thought and opinion?

Please stay civil and with intelligent discourse.

There is nothing to discuss unless you have evidence to support your accusation.

Eleven pages of posts would suggest otherwise, not to mention all the articles written in the media on the subject.

From another thread yesterday:

As much as people here poke fun at ADuck, I believe he is onto something. Bolt was only 16 years old when he was first sent to Germany to meet with Dr. Wohlfahrt. I'm not saying Wohlfahrt deals in peptides, but sending Bolt all the way to Germany when he was 16 shows the degree of special and expensive treatment Bolt was receiving from a young age. Two effects of IGF-1 LR3: it acts as a human growth hormone, but more importantly it strengthens the nervous system and improves a sprinters quickness (turnover). Bolt doesn't have the fastest turnover but his turnover is remarkable for someone his size. Important detail: in recent years Bolt has developed gaps in his teeth in several areas. Those gaps are not appearing in photos of Bolt when he was younger. Those gaps could very well be due to the HGH effect of the IGF-1 LR3 peptide. IGF-1 LR3 is also a potent anabolic steroid that doesn't shrink the testicles.

When IAAF says Bolt is "untainted", they are not testing for IGF-1 LR3. The LR3 varient of IGF-1 is apparently difficult or impossible to detect.

https://www.evolutionary.org/igf-1-lr3-the-anabolic-powerhouse/

nodope wrote:

Bolt was a junior phenom who was well managed as a kid by his coaches. They pulled him from the 100s early to avoid injury. They managed his racing beautifully.

Now he is older, he is getting slower. He's managing his racing even tighter, and is not as fast, or as resilient as he was.

He's just flat out talented. The most talented sprinter ever. Just like he projected to be as a 15 year old.

No he's not doping. He doesn't have to.

They use to say that about Armstrong; that he was flat out talented as a junior winning races as a teenager, then winning the WC in Europe at 21, and winning some flat stages during the Tour de France. The after coming back from stage 4 cancer, he wins an unprecedented 7 TdFs in a row and tells the world he was clean because he passed 500+ drug tests and that a cancer survivor would "never" use PEDs 😄

While I generally agree with what Aduck wrote. The truth is IGF-1 LR3 is tested for, whether you can microdose and get away with it, I would not have a clue but it is tested for.

That brings up the issue of whether certain athletes, or entire countries, were protected. We already know part of the answer with the bribes and cover-ups by the last IAAF president. There was pretty much ZERO out-of-competition testing in Jamaica for the entire period of Bolt's dominance. A few tests in the past year or so. Jamaican athletes could get away with anything they wanted to.

Yes, there is talk of micro-dosing IGF-1 LR3.

Are you protected? wrote:

That brings up the issue of whether certain athletes, or entire countries, were protected. We already know part of the answer with the bribes and cover-ups by the last IAAF president. There was pretty much ZERO out-of-competition testing in Jamaica for the entire period of Bolt's dominance. A few tests in the past year or so. Jamaican athletes could get away with anything they wanted to.

Yes, there is talk of micro-dosing IGF-1 LR3.

The current paradigm of PED use has shifted from an industrial-strength model to one of a microdosing strategy aimed at achieving performance benefits while avoiding detection. Dr. Joyner of the Mayo Clinic has done some interesting research in this area:

"How cheats cheat: why dopers have the edge in athletes' war on drugs." (theguardian/2015):

ukathleticscoach wrote:

He's tall and that's why he runs 0.2 faster than all known dopers

LOL. Using that reasoning, 7 foot tall basketball players would be the world's fastest sprinters.

Bolt doesn't dope. He is dope. He medicates on himself.

spinoza wrote:

Bolt doesn't dope. He is dope. He medicates on himself.

You sound like you're on some really good dope yourself tonight, Bro.

I think I must have posted at least a half dozen times that IGF-1 LR3 is not new and is tested for. Albeit, in small dosages, it is difficult to detect, but if you are doping with IGF-1 LR3, you are taking a big risk.

In the last 20 years, there has only been about 10 world-class athletes (some names listed below) in the world who have improved by more than 3% in one season 'after becoming a pro'. Jamaica (one nation) has had nearly as many athletes as the rest the world combined to achieve this feat. This is a statistical anomaly to the nth degree. If you don't want to trust your eyes, trust the data.

The rest of the world

Chandra Sturrup

Ivet Lalova

Tim Montgomery

Tianna Bartoletta

Kelly White

Torri Edwards

Dafne Schippers

Carmalita Jeter

The 2 Greek sprinters from the early 2000s

Jamaica

Elaine Thompson

Usain Bolt

SAFP

Sherone Simpson

Melaine Walker

Nesta Carter

Kerron Stewart

Delloreen Ennis

How do you know they're taking a big risk if the Governing bodies don't want to catch the biggest stars in the sport? 🤔