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give it a rest
Bush's foot would have broke anyway 6/30/2009 11:59AM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I have yet to understand why everyone is blowing this so far out of proportion. You can not tell me that because the barriers on the water pit were 3-6 inches high, that is the reason that her foot broke. I mean if you foot is at that fragile of a point in the first place you probably would have been feeling it over the past couple of days.

Even if the barriers would have been set to the right height her foot brok after the second water jump. I would be willing to bet that if they were at the right height her foot would have broke by the end of the race.

How can you even compare this to "What if the basketball hoops were set to 12 ft" It is not even remotely the same thing.

And even if you want to say that her foot would have been fine for the race and then the day of running in between the finals and then also fine during the finals, you can not tell me that if you were that close to breaking your foot that it would not have broken over the next two months leading up to Berlin (assuming she would have made the team)
Idiot alert alerter
RE: Bush's foot would have broke anyway 6/30/2009 12:07PM - in reply to give it a rest Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

give it a rest wrote:

I have yet to understand why everyone is blowing this so far out of proportion. You can not tell me that because the barriers on the water pit were 3-6 inches high, that is the reason that her foot broke. I mean if you foot is at that fragile of a point in the first place you probably would have been feeling it over the past couple of days.

Even if the barriers would have been set to the right height her foot brok after the second water jump. I would be willing to bet that if they were at the right height her foot would have broke by the end of the race.

How can you even compare this to "What if the basketball hoops were set to 12 ft" It is not even remotely the same thing.

And even if you want to say that her foot would have been fine for the race and then the day of running in between the finals and then also fine during the finals, you can not tell me that if you were that close to breaking your foot that it would not have broken over the next two months leading up to Berlin (assuming she would have made the team)





Ever step off of a surface you thought was more shallow than it indeed was? It's not just a matter of those 3 extra inches resulting in extra force, it's about MECHANICS. The angluation - and more importantly, the change in "bracing" performed by the muscles surrounding and supporting the bones of the feet - can make a big difference.

Additionally, she's luck she didn't hyperextend her knee.
hsthshsh
RE: Bush's foot would have broke anyway 6/30/2009 12:08PM - in reply to give it a rest Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The OP is a moron.
Moes Tavern
RE: Bush's foot would have broke anyway 6/30/2009 12:16PM - in reply to hsthshsh Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Sure. Blame everything on Bush.
The Speed that Kills
RE: Bush's foot would have broke anyway 6/30/2009 6:50PM - in reply to give it a rest Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
This is the most common sense post on this issue yet. Of course, who on Letsrun wants to hear common sense when you can criticize instead.
haha, YO
RE: Bush's foot would have broke anyway 6/30/2009 7:07PM - in reply to give it a rest Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
So are you saying it is acceptable for our sport's NATIONAL F***ING CHAMPIONSHIP to be so poorly run they can't even get the height of barriers correct for a race? Who gives a F*** if she broke her foot or not, that doesn't matter. What matters is our sport is in the shitter and people like you don't seem to care. What if what the timing system was a little off? That no big deal? This shit is important, get your head out of your ass.
been there done that
RE: Bush's foot would have broke anyway 6/30/2009 7:08PM - in reply to The Speed that Kills Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I fractured a metatarsal stepping off a curb onto a road in an XC race (longer spikes). My dad was actually standing there and said I had a hitch in my step. I had no prior pain to that race. Small bones are vulnerable to breaking any time with the right force.
idiot
RE: Bush's foot would have broke anyway 6/30/2009 7:10PM - in reply to Moes Tavern Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Moes Tavern wrote:

Sure. Blame everything on Bush.


touche. well played good sir, well played.
Tommy B
RE: Bush's foot would have broke anyway 6/30/2009 7:27PM - in reply to give it a rest Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

give it a rest wrote:

I have yet to understand why everyone is blowing this so far out of proportion. You can not tell me that because the barriers on the water pit were 3-6 inches high, that is the reason that her foot broke. I mean if you foot is at that fragile of a point in the first place you probably would have been feeling it over the past couple of days.

Even if the barriers would have been set to the right height her foot brok after the second water jump. I would be willing to bet that if they were at the right height her foot would have broke by the end of the race.

How can you even compare this to "What if the basketball hoops were set to 12 ft" It is not even remotely the same thing.

And even if you want to say that her foot would have been fine for the race and then the day of running in between the finals and then also fine during the finals, you can not tell me that if you were that close to breaking your foot that it would not have broken over the next two months leading up to Berlin (assuming she would have made the team)


I do agree with you. If we were all that fragile, everyone would be walking around with broken bones. I can understand how people think that fractures can be caused by "one" race or "one" funny landing, because I remember with my stress fractures that they seemed to come up all of a sudden. However, it was weeks and weeks of stress that led up to finally feeling it and realizing that yes, it was a stress fracture.
or
RE: Bush's foot would have broke anyway 6/30/2009 8:49PM - in reply to Tommy B Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Ummm... tommy that's why it's called a stress fracture and why the bone isn't broken. A stress fracture is caused by stress on a point for a period of time. Breaking a bone isn't the same as a stress fracture, dumbass.
Tommy B
RE: Bush's foot would have broke anyway 6/30/2009 9:51PM - in reply to or Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

or wrote:

Ummm... tommy that's why it's called a stress fracture and why the bone isn't broken. A stress fracture is caused by stress on a point for a period of time. Breaking a bone isn't the same as a stress fracture, dumbass.


Ummm ... or, enough with the name calling. Whatever you say loses so much significance when name calling is involved. You lost yourself some credibility there.

And do you even understand what I wrote. Your argument makes no sense. You just wrote a definition of what a stress fracture is. I believe that Bush's foot broke/got a stress fracture/whatever happened due to "stress on a point for a period of time" (in your words). My argument is that breaks/stress fractures do not happen in a very short race. The human body is stronger than that. Think next time before you shoot your mouth off.
tommy foot in mouth
RE: Bush's foot would have broke anyway 6/30/2009 10:01PM - in reply to Tommy B Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
apparently the landing did not happen at a period of time then right tommy
Tommy B
RE: Bush's foot would have broke anyway 6/30/2009 10:47PM - in reply to tommy foot in mouth Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

tommy foot in mouth wrote:

apparently the landing did not happen at a period of time then right tommy


Horrible statement there. Understand what I'm saying. I'm agreeing with the OP that the increased height ALONE did not cause her foot to break. It was going to happen anyways. Not just from the couple extra inches. Bush's bone was on the verge of injury. Get it yet? There is no foot in my mouth here.
The Speed that Kills
RE: Bush's foot would have broke anyway 6/30/2009 11:43PM - in reply to haha, YO Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
When are you going to get certified as an official so you can go out there on the track and make sure everyting goes 100% correctly 100% of the time? Oh yes, and don't whine about pay, because there is none. And don't act surprised when some jerk who is sitting on his ass criticizes you if you happen to make a mistake sometime during the next 30 years. Just saying
Tree Frog
RE: Bush's foot would have broke anyway 7/1/2009 5:37AM - in reply to The Speed that Kills Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Was she the only one that ran the race?

Why is her's the only foot that broke? Must've already had an issue, pre-race.
Mr. Ex Post Facto
RE: Bush's foot would have broke anyway 7/1/2009 5:51AM - in reply to Tree Frog Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Tree Frog wrote:

Was she the only one that ran the race?

Why is her's the only foot that broke? Must've already had an issue, pre-race.


Was the winner the only one to play the lottery?
LetsThink
RE: Bush's foot would have broke anyway 7/1/2009 5:57AM - in reply to Tree Frog Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Well I think people need to think about this one:
The results came back with an Avulsion fracture, which means a tendon or ligament ripped part of the bone away due to overextension or sheer force. This is an acute injury, not a stress fracture over time.
hold the phone
RE: Bush's foot would have broke anyway 7/1/2009 6:29AM - in reply to Tommy B Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Tommy B wrote:
I can understand how people think that fractures can be caused by "one" race or "one" funny landing, because I remember with my stress fractures that they seemed to come up all of a sudden.


Yeah, you're totally right. My friend went skiing once and broke her leg, and she thought it happened because she crashed into a tree. But I was smarter than her, so I explained that there must have been a lot of stress on her leg in the weeks leading up to the accident, because humans don't just break bones all at once.
Lech Fan
RE: Bush's foot would have broke anyway 7/1/2009 6:51AM - in reply to hold the phone Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
If only one foot got busted its a Nicole Bush issue nothing else. LIsten to the numbers, one injury out of 30...look inward rather than outward!!!
Tommy B
RE: Bush's foot would have broke anyway 7/1/2009 7:57AM - in reply to hold the phone Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

hold the phone wrote:

[quote]Tommy B wrote:
I can understand how people think that fractures can be caused by "one" race or "one" funny landing, because I remember with my stress fractures that they seemed to come up all of a sudden.


Yeah, you're totally right. My friend went skiing once and broke her leg, and she thought it happened because she crashed into a tree. But I was smarter than her, so I explained that there must have been a lot of stress on her leg in the weeks leading up to the accident, because humans don't just break bones all at once.[/quote]

Haha, you are so humorous. I'm not talking about injuries that occur like you stated; only those running. Yes, if you fall out of the tenth story of a building, chances are you will break some bones. Again, read what I wrote more closely. I'm talking about running. I hope someone who trains in the steeple would be stronger than as to break a bone in just one race. What about someone who just started to steeple. Seems like they would be more likely to break something. And I don't see all the new steeplers walking around with broken bones. That's why Bush's injury was coming.
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