Evan Jager is Amazing - Has the US ever had a 20-year old run 13:22?

oy! christ, I knew that... an *a duh* moment to keep my hat size standard.

Good call,According the Jtupper that 12:53.0 by Lindgren would be worth a 13:22.6

Montesquieu wrote:

In 1966, at age twenty, Gerry Lindgren ran 12:53 for three miles, I believe on a cinder track.

The average closing 400m in an elite, international race is sub 54. They will need to be on 13:05 pace and close in 54 to be competitive (running 12:55 or so). It seems that Jager may be a year or two away from such a race. Great race for him. An even better race for German - his 3:38 1500m speed will be a great benefit to him when his aerobic system can handle a faster pace. I suspect he will break 13:00 within the next 24 months - at the age of 20-21.

runnnner wrote:

Closing in 54.88!

Does he have to chase the A standard? Get him in the right race and we might see a 20 year old at 13:15.

His move to Eugene has been so amazingly positive and productive......Portland you Idiot!

He ran that time in a dual meet against Oregon, so it would have been either in Eugene or Pullman. Can anyone confirm that my memory that it was on cinders is right?

Jzs wrote:

Good call,

According the Jtupper that 12:53.0 by Lindgren would be worth a 13:22.6

Montesquieu wrote:

In 1966, at age twenty, Gerry Lindgren ran 12:53 for three miles, I believe on a cinder track.

It was he American record until Pre ran 12:51.4 in 1974. Pre was twenty-three at the time.

gwalkerruns wrote:

Was that an American/World record (Lindgren)? Pre had to be close in '71 he would have been 20. By 21 he had run low 13:20s and time trialed a 8:19 by himself.

Teg does not have the A but has the B. Solinsky has the A. Jager has the B. Fam has the A.

So if Jager gets the A, he goes. They cant send 2 Bs and an A, so they can send Fam in his place if he doesnt.

The newspaper said Jager has to get the A before July ends BUT, what if Teg gets the A (which he was a few tenths off last night) and Jager doesnt. The will it be Teg, Solinsky, Jager...AAB.

rojo wrote:

German's 13:25 at age 18 is pretty good as well.

Seriously? "Pretty good as well"? What's with you and your brother? No matter who's doing well, you guys love to play it down. The only reason you guys aren't picking on Rupp right now is because he is just unstoppable in America. "Pretty good," huh? The best 5k ever for an American junior. The guy is 18 years old and ran 13:25. "Pretty good as well"?

bx runner wrote:

Teg does not have the A but has the B. Solinsky has the A. Jager has the B. Fam has the A.

So if Jager gets the A, he goes. They cant send 2 Bs and an A, so they can send Fam in his place if he doesnt.

The newspaper said Jager has to get the A before July ends BUT, what if Teg gets the A (which he was a few tenths off last night) and Jager doesnt. The will it be Teg, Solinsky, Jager...AAB.

Fam isn't going. Need to finish top 4 with an "A" qualifier.

Sorry about that! My blunder completely. I should know this already, I just got caught up in the moment! (Jager=Portland) - got it!

Er... wrote:

I hate to go all John McEnroe on you, but are you serious?!?! You run this frickin' website and you don't even know how to answer that question or where to get the stats?!?!

rojo wrote:

Does anyone know the US best for someone so young? Is this some sort of age group record?

Well done Evan.

German's 13:25 at age 18 is pretty good as well.

Where can I find age group records?

Yeah, most of us want to be nice, as much as we can, but Robert you coach D1 and that is BY DEFINITION 18-23 yr olds mostly. How can you not know how to get that information?

BTW, Ritz ran 13:27 as a 19 yr old and (I think) 13:29 the next yr (after injury). The 13:27 is the fastest any AmColl has run during the school year as a freshman.

GF is the fastest HS 2-miler EVER and a 4:01 miler as a HS'er ... It would not be a surprise for him to set records of all kinds from 1500-10k at every step along the way.

gwalkerruns wrote:

Was that an American/World record (Lindgren)? Pre had to be close in '71 he would have been 20. By 21 he had run low 13:20s and time trialed a 8:19 by himself.

jly10 '65 - 12:52.4 WR - Ron Clarke - London (Lingren 13:04.2)

may14 '66 - 12:53.0 - Gerry Lindgren - Seattle

jly05 '66 - 12:50.4 WR - Ron Clarke - Stockholm

Ess Gee Ess wrote:

Fam isn't going. Need to finish top 4 with an "A" qualifier.

This is on the IAAF Website for qualification. I dont see anything about finishing top 4, unless that is just a USATF rule.

The intersting thing is it sats the Area (US) Champ in an event is automatically considered as having the A Standard..so that should mean

Teg has the A

Solinsky has the A

Jager has the B...all three can go.

"ENTRY RULES

Each Member is entitled to enter two, three or four athletes per event, as follows:

- 1, 2, 3 or 4 athletes with "A" standard;

- 1 athlete with the "B" and 1, 2 or 3 athletes with the "A" standard;

in both cases a maximum of three athletes will be allowed to compete.

Each Member is entitled to enter two athletes per event who have both reached the "B" standard for that event but only one will be allowed to compete.

The Area Champions in all the individual events (except the Marathons) automatically qualify for the World Championships and will be considered as having achieved the "A" standard (see specific Regulations below).

Members who have no male and/or no female qualified athletes whom they wish to enter in any event may enter one unqualified male athlete and/or one unqualified female athlete in one individual event except the 10,000m, 3000m Steeplechase and the Combined Events while the acceptance of unqualified entries in the Field Events is at the discretion of the Technical Delegates.

In addition to the above, Member Federations are entitled to enter the Reigning World Champion regardless of whether he / she has achieved the corresponding entry standard."

"The intersting thing is it sats the Area (US) Champ in an event is automatically considered as having the A Standard"

Area = North America (much more than just the US):

http://www.iaaf.org/aboutiaaf/structure/federations/area=NAM/index.html

When did a 13:22 post-collegian time become more impressive than a 13:25 frosh's? Like I've said before, Jager is the new Lukezic.

BK ran 1/100th of second faster a month before turning 21.

Sub 13:30 performances by Americans under the current legal drinking age (w/ DOB, date of performance, age)

Bob Kennedy, 13:22.17 18-Aug-70, 06-Jul-91 (20)

Evan Jager, 13:22.18 08-Mar-89, 26-Jun-09 (20)

Alberto Salazar,13:22.31 07-Aug-58, 03-Jul-79 (20)

German Fernandez, 13:25.46 02-Nov-90, 26-Jun-09 (18)

Rudy Chapa, 13:25.57 07-Nov-57, 06-May-78 (20)

Alberto Salazar, 13:26.3 07-Aug-58, 21-Apr-79 (20)

Dathan Ritzenhein, 13:27.77 30-Dec-82, 03-May-02 (19)

Alberto Salazar, 13:27.90 07-Aug-58, 17-Jul-79 (20)

Hassan Mead, 13:28.45 28-Aug-89, 02-May-09 (19)

Paul Geis, 13:29.0 23-Feb-53, 12-Jul-73 (20)

Evan Jager, 13:29.65 08-Mar-89, 02-May-09 (20)

Chris Derrick, 13:29.98 17-Oct-90, 02-May-09 (18)

Off the Grid wrote:

Salazar - he ran 13:22 his sophomore year.

13:22.31 Junior year, 35 days before his 21st birthday.

Bob Kennedy was 20y 9m 20d when he ran 13:22.17 in 1991.