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cardinal red
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/5/2009 11:26AM - in reply to Wait... Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Wait... wrote:

[quote]Catch Me If You Can wrote:
Puskedra will improve on his 13:46, but Coe dropped out (never a good sign) and Estrada and Lowe have a long ways to go: they're probably hoping to run 13:30's by next year, not 13:teens.


Just so you know- it has been widely reported that Coe dropped because of a twisted ankle that he sustained tripping over Kosgei. Don't know for certain if that was the cause, but Coe definitely was the one who tripped over him.

Confirmed. Saw him limping to the medical tent with his trainer after the race
kudzurunner
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/5/2009 12:04PM - in reply to Fastnbulbous Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
"I didn’t run for glory, I didn’t run for money—although I never walked away from a paycheck. I really ran to see how good I could be. If that mental attitude and dedication to being the best you can possibly be translates to anyone else, if I can serve as a role model in that way, I will consider myself as having a positive influence on the sport. American distance running will get better; my records will eventually be broken and that’s a good thing."

From Bob Kennedy. That is a terrific creed.
4xM
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/5/2009 12:08PM - in reply to Fastnbulbous Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The season Kennedy turned 23, he ran 13:14.
The next year 13:04.

Rupp is close to this progression. Incidently Solinsky ran 13:12 at age 22; hopefully he gets back on track too.
el g was the best for a reason
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/5/2009 1:13PM - in reply to kudzurunner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
"An interesting thing happened, though, when Melina and I read the article in the Indianapolis Star announcing my retirement. We read it together, looked up and both started to cry—tears of sadness and joy. Only she and I truly know all the blood, sweat and tears of the last 16 years—the great moments and the really tough times, each and every one of them a shared experience, and each and every one of them 100 percent worth it."


great article
R-Tip
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/5/2009 1:39PM - in reply to XY Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

XY wrote:

If he can run 13:10 he could get close to 27:00


There exsist no 27:00 runner with a PR of 13:10. None. Do you realize with this qualification the US would have like 10 27:00 runners. Heck, Fam would be the the US record holder in 10K right now.
Sir Lance-alot
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/5/2009 2:02PM - in reply to R-Tip Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
And before some of you all get carried away with the "Rupp is a shoe-in to run 27 flat or better in a few years, just remember:
ONE non-african in history has broken 27:10. ONE.
It ain't an easy task for those not from africa.

(and it is pretty insane that Bekele's PR is at least a MINUTE faster than the PR of any current non-african runner. How's THAT for a gap?)
Sir Lance-alot
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/5/2009 2:02PM - in reply to R-Tip Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
And before some of you all get carried away with the "Rupp is a shoe-in to run 27 flat or better in a few years, just remember:
ONE non-african in history has broken 27:10. ONE.
It ain't an easy task for those not from africa.

(and it is pretty insane that Bekele's PR is at least a MINUTE faster than the PR of any current non-african runner. How's THAT for a gap?)
lovely turtles
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/5/2009 2:08PM - in reply to Sir Lance-alot Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
McDonald Kennedy, Kenya players and the United States, Australia and the United Kingdom in the group's training base coach and has been involved in the movement. McDonald's for a little exercise on his own goal gave the players, they practice on a regular basis, the child - can run miles, 4 minutes.

The highlights of Kennedy's career came in the 1996 Atlanta Olympics. on the front of Kennedy in the 5000 meters final at the beginning of the penultimate knees to force the speed is increased. He held the lead for almost knee to knee, and ultimately was passed just before closing, finally 6. The 1992 Olympic 5000 meters race and made the final 12 days. The United States in 1991 (), 1993, 1995 (12) 12, 5000 meters at the World Championships in Athletics in 1997 in the flow (6 times), 1999 (9).

Kennedy in 2000 in a car accident back injury before the Olympic trials in the Olympic team this year and he could not do that I wanted to seven weeks of training. In 2001, he was interfering with thyroid problems. The United States Track & Field (USATF) Championships 5000 meters to win in a game against Colorado return, Adam Goucher, who was an heir to Kennedy by the Graduate School of next week. The speed of each knee, alternating between the way the young and the slowing growth Goucher, Goucher him after each pulse can be off by blunting Goucher was forced to come closer. In all, Kennedy's USATF National Champion in 5000 was four hours - 1995, 1996, 1997, 2001.
el g was the best for a reason
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/5/2009 2:19PM - in reply to lovely turtles Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

lovely turtles wrote:

McDonald Kennedy, Kenya players and the United States, Australia and the United Kingdom in the group's training base coach and has been involved in the movement. McDonald's for a little exercise on his own goal gave the players, they practice on a regular basis, the child - can run miles, 4 minutes.

The highlights of Kennedy's career came in the 1996 Atlanta Olympics. on the front of Kennedy in the 5000 meters final at the beginning of the penultimate knees to force the speed is increased. He held the lead for almost knee to knee, and ultimately was passed just before closing, finally 6. The 1992 Olympic 5000 meters race and made the final 12 days. The United States in 1991 (), 1993, 1995 (12) 12, 5000 meters at the World Championships in Athletics in 1997 in the flow (6 times), 1999 (9).

Kennedy in 2000 in a car accident back injury before the Olympic trials in the Olympic team this year and he could not do that I wanted to seven weeks of training. In 2001, he was interfering with thyroid problems. The United States Track & Field (USATF) Championships 5000 meters to win in a game against Colorado return, Adam Goucher, who was an heir to Kennedy by the Graduate School of next week. The speed of each knee, alternating between the way the young and the slowing growth Goucher, Goucher him after each pulse can be off by blunting Goucher was forced to come closer. In all, Kennedy's USATF National Champion in 5000 was four hours - 1995, 1996, 1997, 2001.


knees? hours? what the f***? are you retard? are you retard? (just putting it in terms you might understand)
lovely turtles
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/5/2009 2:23PM - in reply to el g was the best for a reason Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
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mighty porn stache
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/5/2009 2:40PM - in reply to lovely turtles Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Holy crap. BECK is posting on letsrun as lovely turtles. ha!
jkjoregon
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/5/2009 2:44PM - in reply to lovely turtles Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Look up "word salad". That will give you an indication of what this unfortunate poster is dealing with. Probably best to ignore.
piedmontcat
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/5/2009 3:06PM - in reply to jkjoregon Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Why is Abdi consistently left out of these conversations? How soon do we forget...
TrackCoach
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/5/2009 5:19PM - in reply to jerkstore Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
One thing BK had going for him was the fact that he went many years w/o an injury. I always thought Daniel Lincoln and Adam Goucher were just as talented, but the never got in the sustained training periods BK did. Btw, BK got down to sub-13 by improvig a little bit each year.
hello people
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/5/2009 5:22PM - in reply to R-Tip Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
[Quote/]So what if he had run a 14:30 5k in 2007? Or better yet, what if he had DNF'd a 5K in 2007? Does that mean he is infinitely better at 10K now than in 2007? Look at the numbers dude. He beat Salazar's record by two seconds. A person who happens to have a lifetime best of 27:25.

He has improved his mile time by 3-4 seconds since HIGH SCHOOL!

Lets say he does get the AR at 10,000. That will be one of the most wacky bell curve of performance ever. Do you realize that Keflezghi, who has the AR of 27:13, has run 27:25 or better 5 times. This is typical of everybody who has run low 27's. Yet you believe that Rupp will get the record even though he has run 27:33, 27:36,27:40 in the past two years.[/Quote]

Typical? To use your own example:
As someone here has already pointed out wisely, Mebs PR before he ran 2713 was a wopping 40 SECONDS slower. And contrary to what you say, he has only run under 2730 two other times, both after setting the record. This all 3 years out of college. And for some perspective, his 2753 mark was itself a 40 second improvement from his 10k time two years previous of 2831.

Rupp ran 2815 out of high school for the junior record. Two years later he ran 2733 for the collegiate record. And now in 2009, two years after running 2733, will we see him improve by another 40 seconds? Doubtful, but the trend suggests he should be able to surpass Meb's record at the very least. I'm not saying any of this guarantees Rupp will improve by such a margin, just that it is not uncommon for this kind of improvement to occur (as you try to argue).

[Quote/]No. You must be letting your emotions get to you, because nothing has indicated his fitness has dramatically improved since his 27:33. 13:18 indoors? No. Winning NCAA titles? No. 3:57 mile? No. [/Quote]

Did 1330 suggest 2733? No, but that's still what he ran.

You're either a troll or an idiot (likely both). I could list off performances (every one of which has improved significantly since his 2733, besides conveniently, 2733, well duh he hasn't run a fast 10k yet) but I won't. And his mile time HAS improved 3-4 seconds over the past year, since up until this Winter, his PR was still over 4 minutes (and don't say he didn't try to get under 4 in his first four years of college. He ran 403 as recently as last Spring).
Franklin Jackson
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/5/2009 6:41PM - in reply to R- tip Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

R- tip wrote:

Then what is? He is now 23. He ran 27:33 two years ago. Since then he has not gone any faster. But all of a sudden when he is 25 he is gonna be a 27:15 guy? I don't think so.


You must be a troll. In the unlikely event that you are serious, you either do not understand the sport or haven't been paying attention if you think Rupp isn't running at a much higher level than he was 2 years ago.
GR
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/5/2009 6:59PM - in reply to Franklin Jackson Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
R-Tip,

Rupp's coach, Alberto Salazar, believes that Rupp can approach 27-min.

I will tend to believe Salazar rather than you.
from the letsrun front page
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/5/2009 7:06PM - in reply to GR Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
of 3/21:

Salazar Claims Goucher Is In WR Half Shape
Franklin Jackson
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/5/2009 7:09PM - in reply to from the letsrun front page Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I knew someone would bring that up. Rupp will get close to 27:00 but not because of anything Salazar says.
factcheck
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/5/2009 8:30PM - in reply to Fastnbulbous Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Fastnbulbous wrote:

I'd like to see his progression of PRs from high school through his American records. Can anyone find them?


BK's season bests, big meet results:

800:
89-Coll fr = 1:53.44, Pan Am Jr 6th

1500
87-HS jr = 3:53.29, US Jr Nats 5th
88-sr = 3:47.69, US Jr Nats 5th
89-Coll fr = 3:43.16, US Jr 1st
90-soph = 3;38.89, NCAA 1st
91-jr = 3:38.32, 5th heats NCAA
92-sr = 3:39.10, NCAA 2nd
93 = 3:40.60
94 = 3:38.74, US 4th
95
96 = 3:40.97
97 = 3:42.83
98 = 3:40.34, US 10th

1600/Mile:
87-HS jr = 4:10.48 1600
88-sr = 4:05.17 1600
89-Coll fr = 4:03.63i
90-soph = 4:00.99i
91-jr = 3:58.11i, 3:59.03
92-sr = 4:02.22i
93 = 3:56.71
97 = 3:56.69

5000
89-Coll fr = 14:21.40
90-soph = 13:42.80, US 2nd
91-jr = 13:22.17, US 3rd, World 12th
92-sr = 13:28.18, Oly Trials 2nd, Oly 12th
93 = 13:14.91, US 2nd, 5th World heats
94 = 13:02.93
95 = 13:03.97, US 1st, World 7th
96 = 12:58.21, Oly Trials 1st, Oly 6th
97 = 13:06.62, US 1st, World 6th
98 = 13:03.57
99 = 13:05.54, US 2nd, World 9th
00 = 13:42.15
01 = 13:17.51
02
03 = 13:21.85, US 6th
04 = 13:27.61

10,000
99 = 27:38.37
03 = 27:51.06
04 = 27:37.45, Oly Trials dnf (hurt)
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