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Fastnbulbous
All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/3/2009 10:47AM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
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153 12:58.21 Bob Kennedy, Zurich, 08-14-96
175 12:58.75 BK
192 12:59.22 Bernard Lagat, London, 07-28-06
194 12:59.29 BL
267 13:01.15 Sydney Maree, Oslo, 07-27-85
359 13:02.93 BK
382 13:03.37 BK
391 13:03.57 BK
415 13:04.04 BK
473 13:04.90 Matt Tegenkamp, Stockholm, 07-25-06
491 13:05.18 BK
516 13:05.54 BK
541 13:05.93 BK
548 13:06.12 BK
587 13:06.67 BK
640 13:07.41 Matt Tegenkamp
661 13:07.71 BK
718 13:08.43 BK
798 13:09.64 BK
828 13:10.00 Adam Goucher, Heusden-Zolder, 07-22-06
846 13:10.19 Adam Goucher
901 13:10.86 Alan Webb, Berlin, 09-04-05
940 13:11.25 Adam Goucher
982 13:11.77 Mebrahtom Keflezighi, 08-05-00
982 13:11.77 Tim Broe, Oslo, 07-29-05
1000 13:11.93 Alberto Salazar, Stockholm, 07-06-82
1000 13:11.93 Anthony Famiglietti, Walnut, 04-13-07
1022 13:12.14 BK
1036 13:12.24 Chris Solinsky, Heusden-Zolder, 07-28-07
1052 13:12.35 BK
1059 13:12.44 BL
1089 13:12.76 Tim Broe
1105 13:12.91 Matt Centrowitz, Eugene, 06-05-82
1111 13:12.98 BK
1157 13:13.32 Abdihakem Abdirahman, London, 07-22-05
1179 13:13.49 Bruce Bickford, Oslo, 06-27-85
1207 13:13.75 Abdihakem Abdirahman
1218 13:13.84 Sydney Maree
1227 13:13.93 Tim Broe
1270 13:14.32 BL
1309 13:14.62 Sydney Maree
1324 13:14.71 BL
1335 13:14.80 Bill McChesney, Zürich, 08-18-82
1343 13:14.91 BK
1351 13:15.00 Matt Tegenkamp
1360 13:15.06 Marty Liquori, Düsseldorf, 09-04-77
1362 13:15.07 Sydney Maree
1377 13:15.16 Bolota Asmerom, Heusden-Zolder, 07-28-07
1397 13:15.33 Ian Dobson, Carson, 06-24-05
1407 13:15.39 BK
1412 13:15.44 Doug Padilla, Helsinki, 07-04-85
1437 13:15.72 Alberto Salazar
1446 13:15.77 Bill McChesney
1451 13:15.85 Sydney Maree
1455 13:15.86 Jim Spivey, Berlin, 08-30-94
1471 13:15.94 Adam Goucher
1479 13:16.00 Marty Liquori
1481 13:16.02 Dan Browne, Heusden-Zolder, 07-31-04
1485 13:16.03 Ryan Hall, Carson, 06-24-05
1487 13:16.06 Dathan Ritzenhein, Brasschaat, 07-21-07

Those who missed this list - Craig Virgin, Doug Padilla, John Gregorek, Ralph King, Brent Vaughn, Galen Rupp, Mark Nenow, Rudy Chapa, Steve Plasencia, Duncan MacDonald, Todd Williams, Ryan Wilson, Paul Cummings, Ryan Kirkpatrick, Jim Hill, Jonathan Riley, John Trautmann, Ed Moran, Josh McDougal, Joe Falcon, Jorge Torres, Chris Fox, Steve Prefontaine.

So in one sense, we've come a long way, considering that a lot of people seem disappointed that an 18 year-old coming off an injury only ran 13:31, merely ten seconds off what was once Steve Prefontaine's American Record. On the other hand, we can only count the number of Americans who have been internationally competitive in the last 20 years on, er, that one other hand.

I hope to see Rupp run a fast 5K in Europe this summer. What would be really interesting is to see him double at WC. Teg and Solinsky hopefully have some faster races left in them, though both are coming off of injuries. Derrick and Fernandez could be capable of sub-13:10 by summer '10, but it may be longer for the sake of their collegiate seasons. In 2-3 years, Puskedra, Coe, Estrada, Lowe and others should also be in that league too.
Catch Me If You Can
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/3/2009 11:14AM - in reply to Fastnbulbous Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Fastnbulbous wrote:

Derrick and Fernandez could be capable of sub-13:10 by summer '10, but it may be longer for the sake of their collegiate seasons. In 2-3 years, Puskedra, Coe, Estrada, Lowe and others should also be in that league too.


I think you're being way too optimistic with your predictions here. Yes, German could have a shot at sub-13:10 a year from now, but that's despite his 13:31, not because of it. The truth is: his indoor races are what make me believe he can run a really fast 5k. That, and that he's been injured and that this was his first 5k. Not the time he just ran. As for Derrick, he is less likely to improve as much on his 5k time in the next year because his training has been more consistent and he's now run at least four 5k's on the track. I still see him under 13:20 a year from now, but probably not 13:10. Not yet anyways. Puskedra will improve on his 13:46, but Coe dropped out (never a good sign) and Estrada and Lowe have a long ways to go: they're probably hoping to run 13:30's by next year, not 13:teens.
dnixon
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/3/2009 11:20AM - in reply to Fastnbulbous Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Wow. Thanks for the list. This underscores, once more, just how good BK was. He owns 14 of the top 20 American performances — 70%.

Let's hope that the new batch of runners can whittle away at that. He set a high standard for them, that's for sure.
Fastnbulbous
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/3/2009 12:59PM - in reply to Catch Me If You Can Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I did not predict Derrick or Fernandez breaking 13:10 during collegiate season. I meant they'd be capable of it the following summer in a fast European race, but I have doubts they will do that just yet. I agree that Puskedra, Estrada, Lowe and Coe would do well to run 13:30's next year. That's why I said 2-3 years.
get your history straight
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/3/2009 1:18PM - in reply to Fastnbulbous Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Fastnbulbous wrote:
So in one sense, we've come a long way, considering that a lot of people seem disappointed that an 18 year-old coming off an injury only ran 13:31, merely ten seconds off what was once Steve Prefontaine's American Record.


What is the Olympic Trials record? Who hold it? "We" haven't come a long way.
cardinalfan
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/3/2009 1:34PM - in reply to get your history straight Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I'd throw Hassan Mead and Andrew Bumbalough in the mix as well. Mead for obvious reasons. Bumbalough seems to have gotten lost in the mix, but coming off a serious achilles injury that kept him out of indoors to place 8th in Heat 1, 2 seconds back from Chelanga is huge. PRed by 10 seconds. I think he is being underestimated.
the ghost of Richard Chelimo
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/3/2009 1:38PM - in reply to get your history straight Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Interestingly, Kennedy has 16 of the top 18 times if you take out Lagat and Maree who "became" Americans during their already fast careers. That is the stat that really speaks about our systems here and our development. Only Teg has two spots among BK's top times.
my opinion is meaningless
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/3/2009 4:22PM - in reply to the ghost of Richard Chelimo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

the ghost of Richard Chelimo wrote:

Interestingly, Kennedy has 16 of the top 18 times if you take out Lagat and Maree who "became" Americans during their already fast careers. That is the stat that really speaks about our systems here and our development. Only Teg has two spots among BK's top times.


BK gets nowhere near the love he deserves, especially considering that he pushed himself to be that fast during a time when he was already far and away the top American. Really exemplifies the drive it takes to compete internationally in a sport that is largely ignored by the domestic sports fans.
TheChopper
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/3/2009 11:18PM - in reply to Catch Me If You Can Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Catch Me If You Can wrote:



I think you're being way too optimistic with your predictions here. Yes, German could have a shot at sub-13:10.


Contradicting yourself in just two sentences. Congradulations.
Sir Lance-alot
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/3/2009 11:26PM - in reply to TheChopper Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

TheChopper wrote:


Catch Me If You Can wrote:



I think you're being way too optimistic with your predictions here. Yes, German could have a shot at sub-13:10.


Contradicting yourself in just two sentences. Congradulations.


And you spelled congratulations as "congradulations." Congradulations on that.
R-Tip
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/3/2009 11:41PM - in reply to TheChopper Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
This list shows just how off the mark proclimations that Rupp or Teg are capable of sub 13:00 are. If you look at Kennedy you see the career of a typical sub 13 guy. He had a best of 12:57 and broke 13:10 like a dozen times. And he barely got it by three seconds. Rupp has a best of 13:18 and Teg has broken 13:10 twice. To make that extra drop would take an almost impossible leap. Now, if Teg ran 13:08's week in-week out, or if Rupp had two or three 27:10's under his belt, then yes, we can realistically expect them to be on the verge of a sub 13. But as it is, Tegs 13:04 and Rups 27:33 are probably already their breakthrough performance.
Eritrean hero
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/3/2009 11:45PM - in reply to Fastnbulbous Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Fastnbulbous wrote:

I hope to see Rupp run a fast 5K in Europe this summer. What would be really interesting is to see him double at WC. Teg and Solinsky hopefully have some faster races left in them, though both are coming off of injuries. Derrick and Fernandez could be capable of sub-13:10 by summer '10, but it may be longer for the sake of their collegiate seasons. In 2-3 years, Puskedra, Coe, Estrada, Lowe and others should also be in that league too.


Why we gotta wait for all the young guys?

If you look at these boards its like its a foregone conclusion that guys like Pifer, Vaughn, Dobson, Curtis and many other post-collegiates have no room for improvement where as every true freshman out there is destined to be a world beater.
unrated
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/3/2009 11:46PM - in reply to R-Tip Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I still maintain that in over the past two years (with the exception of the latter parts of the 2008 season) Teg would have been a sub 1310 guy week in and week out. He didnt really take very many stabs at a fast 5,000. He pretty much ran that 1304 and the other sub 1310, and I can only think of one or two, maybe three other times in the last 2 years that he actually took a stab at a fast 5. He ran a lot of 1500s and 3000s.
R-Tip
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/4/2009 12:29AM - in reply to unrated Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I think you're right about Teg. Living in the US makes it very hard to find a lot of sub 13:00 races. But statistics show that almost all guys who break 13:00, even just once, run a shitload of sub 13:10's. The exception is the world beaters at 1500 like Lagat and Maree. But I don't think Teg falls under that catagory. He should've asked Kennedy how he managed to run in Europe so often.
jerkstore
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/4/2009 1:05AM - in reply to R-Tip Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

R-Tip wrote:

This list shows just how off the mark proclimations that Rupp or Teg are capable of sub 13:00 are. If you look at Kennedy you see the career of a typical sub 13 guy. He had a best of 12:57 and broke 13:10 like a dozen times. And he barely got it by three seconds. Rupp has a best of 13:18 and Teg has broken 13:10 twice. To make that extra drop would take an almost impossible leap. Now, if Teg ran 13:08's week in-week out, or if Rupp had two or three 27:10's under his belt, then yes, we can realistically expect them to be on the verge of a sub 13. But as it is, Tegs 13:04 and Rups 27:33 are probably already their breakthrough performance.



Can you read? BK's pr = 12:58. He went under 13:10 14 times, not, "like a dozen times." Also, Rupp is still in college. By no means is his 27:33 his "breakthrough" performance. And to the other poster talking about how we are all on the jocks of the true freshmen: These guys just ran an American record. I think they have a pretty good upswing in their careers. Jesus, if Derrick and German and Rupp don't have a shot at breaking 13:00, who the hell does?
R- tip
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/4/2009 2:18AM - in reply to jerkstore Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

jerkstore wrote:



Also, Rupp is still in college. By no means is his 27:33 his "breakthrough" performance.


Then what is? He is now 23. He ran 27:33 two years ago. Since then he has not gone any faster. But all of a sudden when he is 25 he is gonna be a 27:15 guy? I don't think so.
douglas burke
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/4/2009 5:44AM - in reply to R- tip Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
i definetely think rupp will run faster starting in 2010, the european meets are set up to run fast, the college meets with rare exceptions are not.
jerkstore
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/4/2009 5:50AM - in reply to douglas burke Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Douglas, thank you for some reason. My gawd, Rupp will certainly run faster for the 10k. Did you see the guy in the last year? I think he'll go sub 27:20 this summer and somewhere between 26:55-27:09 in 2010, when he is the ripe old age of 25. He will have the American record in the 10k within 18 months.
Question Popper
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/4/2009 7:11AM - in reply to cardinalfan Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

cardinalfan wrote:

I'd throw Hassan Mead and Andrew Bumbalough in the mix as well. Mead for obvious reasons. Bumbalough seems to have gotten lost in the mix, but coming off a serious achilles injury that kept him out of indoors to place 8th in Heat 1, 2 seconds back from Chelanga is huge. PRed by 10 seconds. I think he is being underestimated.


Ummm...ever heard of Evan Jager?
unrated
RE: All-time best American 5000m Performances 5/4/2009 7:42AM - in reply to Question Popper Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I like bumbalough. Ive been a fan ever since I watched him torch the footlocker south course. But he will never run under 13 min for a 5k.
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