Aislinn Ryan update?

repeated stress fractures is what I heard. Different areas but they have been back to back. Therefore no results. It is a shame would have been interesting to see how she raced in college.

Was she the one with the really frightening mechanics?

Thanks.

I hope she can get healthy.

Thank you, Mark Wetmore, for taking some of the nation's finest runners and beating the living hell out them. Who's next? For every fine runner he turns out, 50 others never run again. Not an actual recorded stat, just common knowledge.

you should see the list of his 70's and 80's hs all-americans and what they did in college

I'd like to see it

I talked to Aislinn Ryan last year at the Big 12 Track and Field Championships at CU. She said she was taking the entire 2008 track season off to completely heal from injuries. I guess it didn't do any good.

Ryan had terrible form and really had her best year of running as a jr in HS. The program she ran for in HS pounds those kids, she didn't ahve a chance.

Do not blame Wetmore for her problems, it isn't his fault.

I call BS on that one. I know a fair bit about how Warwick trains their kids. They don't pound them.

I would love for my kids to be part of that program.

Yes, the program she ran for pounds their runners. She could of been great if she went with quality over quantity!

Sad, sad, sad..[quote]Former New Yorker wrote:

I've lived in California, Pennsylvania, Colorado, New York and Massachusetts, and have spoken to coaches at good programs in each of those states and observed quite a few workouts, as well. There's nothing being done at Warwick that supports your claim that they "pound" their runners.

some people's bodies are just not made for competitive running.

that girl willed herself to the front pack, but it was just a matter of time before her horrible mechanical inefficiencies came home to roost.

contrast her with lauryn chetelat, a runner who's form is almost perfect. lauryn will probably suffer few injuries, with her ease and grace of stride. the picture of superior running economy.

when you see you have a pounder like ryan on your hands, you have to keep their volume very low and hope they survive. you can't have a pounder running 80+ miles/week. more like 30-40.

Aislinn is slowly building back up and running again. She is healthy and that is what's important now.

I am glad Peter Snell didn't listen to someone like you.Of course we all know how that ended, 3 gold medals.Not comparing Aislinn to Peter of course, but everyone has their sweet spot when it comes to training, and I am sure Mark Wetmore will adjust accordingly.

whirledpeas wrote:

some people's bodies are just not made for competitive running.

that girl willed herself to the front pack, but it was just a matter of time before her horrible mechanical inefficiencies came home to roost.

contrast her with lauryn chetelat, a runner who's form is almost perfect. lauryn will probably suffer few injuries, with her ease and grace of stride. the picture of superior running economy.

when you see you have a pounder like ryan on your hands, you have to keep their volume very low and hope they survive. you can't have a pounder running 80+ miles/week. more like 30-40.

Proud not to be a buff. wrote:

Thank you, Mark Wetmore, for taking some of the nation's finest runners and beating the living hell out them. Who's next? For every fine runner he turns out, 50 others never run again. Not an actual recorded stat, just common knowledge.

It is an actual recorded stat that out of the ~1000 or so athletes Wetmore has coached, only 20 continued to run after he finished coaching them. However, it was actually recorded in your ass, and you pulled it out for this thread.

How can anyone possibly claim to know how Aislynn Ryan would have done at another school? She could have Renato Canova and Duncan Kibet's coach coaching her, the best coaches in the world, and she might still be hobbling around in a boot. She might be running 15:10 if she had gone to a no-name dIII school. You don't know and you can't know, yet you claim you do.

Whenever you make a claim about how Wetmore ruined an athlete, remember you're making a counterfactual argument that there was some coach that athlete could have had who wouldn't have ruined her. Counterfactuals are almost impossible to prove.

Right now, at this moment on this Saturday, there are some ~9:00 high school two-milers struggling to break 15 because their college coaches really are horrible coaches who are good recruiters. Why don't we as letsrun posters criticize and condemn them so badly that the next kid who googles that coach's name will see how awful he is from letsrun? That prospective athlete could even see the names of the failures that prove what an awful coach that guy is. They might even see actual recorded statistics, rather than "common knowledge."

Wetmore has enough NCAA titles at this point to have proven that he really can not only recruit well, but coach well. Maybe he's the best, or almost the best, but from the criticism he gets on letsrun, you might think he's the worst. Let's focus on the real ruiners of young athletes.

Which is fairly typical. Sorry - just the facts.

Bo Diddley wrote:

It is an actual recorded stat that out of the ~1000 or so athletes Wetmore has coached, only 20 continued to run after he finished coaching them.

Wetmore had something like 16 current and former athletes at the Olympic Trials last summer. 3 men's 5000m (4 if you count Strang)3 women's 5000m4 men's 10,000m2 women's 10,000m2 men's steeple3 women's steepleplus some sprints and field events.This is pretty good. The only other schools with this retention rate are probably Stanford, Michigan and Arkansas. I would say that Wetmore only ruins 1 out of every 5 promising runners.

Proud not to be a buff. wrote:

Thank you, Mark Wetmore, for taking some of the nation's finest runners and beating the living hell out them. Who's next? For every fine runner he turns out, 50 others never run again. Not an actual recorded stat, just common knowledge.

Nothing to back that up former new yorker? Are you dumb, find me one athlete from warwick that significantly improved after leaving for college. Most get slower, hurt, or never improve.

Warwick sounds just like at Bernards HS, powerhouse in the 1970s and 1980s in NJ. Can anyone name a runner from Bernards who progressed after HS, excepting Ryan Grote? Funny coincidence since Mark Wetmore JUST HAPPENED to be the coach in the 80s at that school.