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mrk626
Diagnosis FAI w/labral tear 4/4/2009 7:22PM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I have had hip issues for over a year now. After 2 months of p/t, I went to doctor and had an x-ray done, and was diagnosed with FAI of both sides of hip. I only have issues with the left hip. I went further with the MRI w/contrast on the left hip. They confirmed again with the FAI, and also found a labral tear. I go in for Consultation for surgery on April 13th. I believe it will be Arthroscopy? I've been diagnosed with Cam impingement. Questions I have that I can't wait to hear is the following!
-Do they correct the impingement with this arthroscopy surgery?
-Recovery time after surgery is how long? I currently run 75-80 miles a week.
-What about my right hip??? The last thing that I heard from the doctor was "I wish they would have had all your hip on the mri."
-Also after surgery, does your running career return to where it was prior to injury?
Thank you for any response! I just want to get this resolved.
justintherunner
RE: Diagnosis FAI w/labral tear 4/4/2009 7:33PM - in reply to mrk626 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Sorry to hear that you have this problem. I had might right side done one year ago, and I am getting my left side done this Thursday. I'm 25, and I was a collegiate distance runner doing 75 miles a week prior. I'll try and answer your questions the best I can.

Yes, they correct the impingement with arthroscopy.

After my surgery, I started rehab the next day, and i was even on the exercise bike for like 5 minutes. At one month I resumed outdoor biking, and at three months I was allowed to begin running again, although just 5 minutes the first day. You aren't completely recovered though for one year. I have heard of much slower recoveries, but I have never heard of any quicker than the ones performed by my doc.

My doc told me that an impingement on the other side only leads to that side becoming problematic in one out of five cases. My doctor is David King, and he is regarded as one of the countries best hip docs. If you are in the ST. Louis area, I highly recommend him.

He told me, my hips should get back to 100%, given time and adherence to my PT, etc. I have talked to people that have come back fully, and others who haven't. A good doc is important.

Feel free to ask any other questions. My surgery wasn't too painful, but I was on crutches for ten days, and had to use a CPM machine 6 hours a day. On the plus side they gave me oxycontin and oxycodone, which made the experience much more enjoyable.
justintherunner
RE: Diagnosis FAI w/labral tear 4/4/2009 7:34PM - in reply to justintherunner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Forgot to ask, but what is your age? This may play a role in your recovery.
mrk626
RE: Diagnosis FAI w/labral tear 4/5/2009 7:36AM - in reply to justintherunner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I'm 28 years old. I was recommended to see Dr. King as one of my options. There is one Surgeon in Omaha also that specializes in hip arthroscopy. I live in Omaha, and I set it up with him. Crutches for only 10 days. That is not as bad as what I've been reading. Does your other hip bother you also? Have you ran much since your first surgery? Thank you for the quick response!
C O A C H
RE: Diagnosis FAI w/labral tear 4/5/2009 8:15AM - in reply to mrk626 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Is this running related (i.e., wear and tear), or a congenital problem?
justintherunner
RE: Diagnosis FAI w/labral tear 4/5/2009 10:49AM - in reply to mrk626 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Not saying the doc in Omaha isn't just as good as King, but King did his fellowship under the best hip doc in the world, and his specialty is fixing this exact problem in young people like you and I. Additionally, I haven't talked any other people who had this procedure that recover as quickly as King's patients. One thing that helps is that he also is using a new method called PRP (Platelet Rich Plasma) where he takes out some of your blood, concentrates the platelets, and re injects it into the hip. It makes the healing process go quicker, and even heals cartilage, and has gotten great results. If the guy you are going to doesn't have great credentials, I would consider going to King just because of his success rate.

My other hip has been bothering me also. Dr. King told me that the tear was small, and wouldn't normally require surgery, but since I have the FAI too, it likely won't get better without fixing the impingement. Are you having pain in one or both hips? If you are only having pain in one, hopefully you will never have problems in the other. Like I mentioned before, there is approximately a one in five chance.

I haven't run much since my surgery because of the pain in my other hip, but I've biked a lot, and I have run some. The hip I had repaired has given me no problems while exercising, outside of a little tightness sometimes, which is to be expected.

If you have any more questions don't hesitate to ask. I've talked to tons of people with this so hopefully I can provide some info. I'll check back on this thread periodically. Good luck!
justintherunner
RE: Diagnosis FAI w/labral tear 4/5/2009 10:52AM - in reply to C O A C H Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

C O A C H wrote:

Is this running related (i.e., wear and tear), or a congenital problem?


My particular problem was congenital. The labral tear can be simple wear and tear, but the impingement, at least in my case, was due to an extra piece of bone in my hip that was limiting my range of motion, ad eventually caused the labral tear. I actually didn't have any cartilage damage in either hip besides the tear right where the extra bone was.
mrk626
RE: Diagnosis FAI w/labral tear 4/5/2009 6:06PM - in reply to justintherunner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Hip impingement I believe is a congenital thing, actually more of a bone growth issue. I think they are still trying to figure out whether it is a birth defect, or an abnormality with bone growth. The labral tear that I also have is due to the impingement issue. Just like Justin said it is due to the femer or acetabulum not being symetrical so to speak.
I will be doing some serious background check on this surgeon here in Omaha, and if he doesn't check out, I will be heading down to St. Louis.
I appreciate all the information. Did you have to spend the night in the hospital, or was it an outpatient surgery? Were you in college when you had your surgery? I was wondering how much work I will miss?
justintherunner
RE: Diagnosis FAI w/labral tear 4/5/2009 7:39PM - in reply to mrk626 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I didn't have to spend the night, I was actually out of there about an hour after my surgery. I was in college at the time, and I didn't go back to class until I was off crutches ten days post op. I did however, drive myself to PT at day 5 or six I think, and I went in to take a make-up test after one week. The reason I couldn't go to class was because the campus was huge, and it wasn't a matter of pain, but just a matter of not being able to cover 1/2 mile one way on crutches. If you can park close, I think you could go back to work after 5 or 6 days if your recovery is similar to mine.

Also I might add that it is good that you are going ahead with the surgery. I have also had to deal with a surgery for a sports hernia and a couple of months ago I had surgery to remove some entrapped nerves from the sports hernia. There is a direct correlation between hip impingement and sports hernia, so getting it taken care of as quick as possible is wise in order to avoid further problems.
arfx3
RE: Diagnosis FAI w/labral tear 7/8/2009 8:10AM - in reply to justintherunner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
JustintheRunner,

Ive also seen Dr. King. He seems to be one of the best of the best. However, Im reserved on having surgery. I was wondering if you might be able to message me on my email address. I really like to know about your entire rehab process and really want to know if my symptoms match yours. I have a left hip labral tear and FAI on both sides, but only left hip pain. Have you had a full recovery on the hip that you had done a while ago?

Thanks
arfx3@mizzou.edu
johnny
RE: Diagnosis FAI w/labral tear 11/3/2009 7:24AM - in reply to arfx3 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
bumping up
can anyone offer up advice when choosing between dr kelly and dr buly, both at hss/nyc??
thanks
i am scheduling surgery in a week!
ruppert
RE: Diagnosis FAI w/labral tear 11/3/2009 7:52AM - in reply to johnny Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Not to hijack the thread, but for those with FAI, can you explain your symptoms? I've been dealing with hip/glute/groin issues since July w/o much relief. I had an MRI and the results were negative; however, the MRI was without a contrast dye - does that make a difference? Thanks.
Sam Ferrise
RE: Diagnosis FAI w/labral tear 11/14/2009 5:53AM - in reply to ruppert Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
My symptoms began about 10 months ago and I've had everything from a CT scan to an ultrasound to a regular pelvic MRI. All came back completely normal. It wasn't until I met with Dr. Fitch at Vanderbilt here in Nashville (where I live) about 4 months ago that he mentioned that a labral tear may be a cause of my pain (bone grindingly brutal centered in the hip, right at the bikini line, low back pain, buttock pain, thigh pain/swelling). So we started some rehab and specific core strengthening exercises because he thought it was more likely a severe muscle tear (and possible sports hernia). That made things better for about 3 weeks, and then dramatically worse. Worse to the point that I couldn't even stand up long enough to make dinner let alone run or exercise in any fashion. At that point, I got back with him and he ordered an MRI - Arthrogram (contrast dye). He did offer to have the test before rehab, but after discussing with him the procedure of the test, I decided to wait. Anyway, the arthrogram was bad. They numb your upper thigh right below the bikini line and then stick this gigantic needle into the joint space to inject the dye.

1. Ask for an Arthrogram. Outside of arthroscopic surgery, it's the most accurate diagnostic test for this condition. Some docs say CT scans are also necessary, but from the research I've done (a lot) they don't seem to show much of a diagnosis, but may help the surgeon in reshaping the femoral head or the acetabulum.
2. When you have the arthrogram, ask politely for some sedation unless you have a high pain tolerance; actually ask for it anyway because you'll have to lie perfectly still for about 30-45 minutes until the radiologist gets the images he/she requires. Also, ask for a lortab afterwords, I was very sore for 2-3 days.
3. Don't wait! Get the best doctor you can find and get a consultation scheduled as soon as possible. Dr. Fitch at Vanderbilt referred me to Dr. Thomas Byrd at Nashville Sports Medicine and Orthopedic Clinic (NSMOC) - he is also one of the best in the country outside of the doctors mentioned above and a gentleman in Boulder, CO. Anyway, his schedule was full until January, that's why I recommend getting a specialist's appointment asap. They usually have waiting lists for cancellations so be assertive and get on that (I did that with Dr. Byrd and fortunately got an appt for Tuesday the 17th).

I've not had surgery yet, but I can tell you that Dr. Fitch was very clear that hip/groin pain is very very difficult to diagnose, and most people with FAI and/or labral tears go for years without a concrete diagnosis. Mine was acute enough to generate severe pain which put me into the doctor immediately.

If you want more information a lady named Vanessa started a blog detailing her journey through surgery at http://www.understandingfai.com. I've e-mailed her a few times as Dr. Byrd operated on her and she had nothing but great things to say about him and his staff. Read her blog, that's what made me feel comfortable with the surgery (I mean, come on man, they're reshaping bone here, it's not good!) and recovery/rehab process.

My name is Sam Ferrise and I'm a 27 year old male who used to be (about 10 months ago) a casual runner of around 30 miles per week. I used to run around 80-90 per week during high school and my first year of college for cross country training.

By the way, some posts above mentioned the cause of FAI. To this day the exact cause is unknown, but some doctors have found a correlation (not causation) with heavy training before the skeletal system has been fully developed. Primarily they think one may be genetically predisposed to it and heavy training may cause the bones to shape funny (in my case I have Cam Impingement - significant according to the radiologist and essentially my femoral head is oval shaped, not round; others may have the same type of impingement, but there may be a small bump on the bone which is most likely congenital and not caused by training).

Sorry for writing a book, but if I can help one person not spend the thousands of dollars I have and see the 7 different doctors in 3 different cities until I ended up with Dr. Fitch at Vanderbilt, it's worth it.

Also, if your pain is bad and it limits you, insist the doctor give you something for it. I was not assertive enough in the beginning and had excruciating pain that would bring me to my knees for the first 7 months of this ordeal. Don't go to a GP or an urgent care facility, get in to a specialist and be very clear how bad the pain is, what it feels like and what it limits your activity to. At the end of the day, only you know what's right for you and your body, not the doctor. They can be wrong so if you don't think you are receiving adequate care, find the best of the best and get an appointment.

Erin (intake coordinator) from Dr. Byrd's office has been so nice to me even though I've probably been rude to her due to my frustration level about waiting for so many months before seeing the surgeon, let alone scheduling surgery.

Please feel free to e-mail me if you want - my appointment with Dr. Byrd is on Tuesday the 17th and I can ask him who may be best for you to see given your locale.

Sam Ferrise
sam@ferrise.net
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