I was thinking about this today, and I realized that Oregon doesn't need to have a great race to break 16:00 in the 4 x Mile. With a line up that would probably look like
Cento: 3:57
Wheating:3:57
Acosta: 4:00
Rupp 3:57
Obviously the problem isn't getting four guys that can average a sub 4 (there have been a number of teams in the past that could average that for their top 4), the problem is getting them all to run well at the same time, and probably alone. What do you guys think?
First of all, that the Weinerschnitzel add went off on my 5 times trying to reply to this thread.
Second, what is the record for the 4xmile? In Bowerman and the Men of Oregon, Moore talks a bit about how Oregon had the world record in the 4xmile during the 60's.
It is a pretty infrequently contested event, but I definitely think Oregon could go sub 16 right now.
Even:
Centro: 4:00
Wheating: 4:00
Acosta: 4:02
Rupp: 3:57
gets the job done.
What could other teams (Texas, Arkansas, New Mexico, etc.) do? Could they be close? With so many good DMRs there have to be some good potential 4xmiles right now.
its hard to get everyone to run their best the same day, but oregon has a decent amount of cushion, especially on an outdoor track seeing as those are all indoor PRs. Arguabley Wheating is ready to run a decent PR on an outdoor track, and Rupp seems like he'd be able to go sub 357 as well. obviously these are based on perfect conditions, but even if not i would say 357 is fairly conservative for both these guys outdoors...leaves some room for error for centro and aj.
realistic under perfect conditions, no competition:
wheating: 3:58
acosta: 4:02
centro: 3:59
rupp: 3:56
add all the 0.Xs' up and roughly 15:56-15:57.
wheating is of course capable of going faster but either doesn't trust himself to go out faster or just doesn't like to so he'd likely run around 3:01 at 3/4 mile and kick home.
California could've had a golden opportunity when they still had David Torrence. THey could have gone
Davis? (i think he ran 4:02ish)
Matusak
Coe
Torrence
Wisconsin could've been another team to have a good one before Schumacher left. With Bolas, Jager, Solinsky, and Bethke in the lineup, they might've been able to put together a vicious 4 x mile. I really think the ncaa missed the opportunity, because those teams could've put something really competitive together, but who knows- maybe they still can with the likes of the Oregon men, and maybe schools like Oklahoma St, Texas, and BYU could put something together.
yeah, leave off their school record holder
Somewhat corrected version from Track and Field News on line.
4 x MILE
16:04.54 Michigan # 4/30/05
16:07.96 Arkansas # 04/24/99
16:08.81 ----Arkansas # 04/29/00
16:08.9 Oregon 05/12/62
16:09.84 ----Arkansas # 04/27/02
16:10.6 Villanova # 04/27/74
16:11.65 ----Arkansas # 04/25/98
16:14.1 UTEP # 04/03/76
16:14.4 Manhattan # 04/27/74
16:14.92 ----Arkansas # 04/29/06
Top 10 Schools
16:04.54 Michigan # 4/30/05
16:07.96 Arkansas # 04/24/99
16:08.9 Oregon 05/12/62
16:10.6 Villanova # 04/27/74
16:14.1 UTEP # 04/03/76
16:14.4 Manhattan # 04/27/74
16:15.12+ Iowa State # 12/31/08
16:15.40 Iona # 04/29/06
16:15.5 Tennessee 04/15/77
16:15.70 Stanford 04/28/01
Details of the record run:
Andrew Ellerton' 4:05.9, Mike Woods' 4:03.0, Nick Willis' 3:56.2, Nate Brannen' 3:59.4
Yo VIN, make it happen!
They run this at Penn?
This is happening. Oregon, Auburn, Stanford and OTC are racing a 4 x mile on Saturday of the meet.
is the world record within there grasp?
4x1 mile Relay 15:49.08 # Irish Republic 17 Aug 1985 Dublin (S)
(Eamonn Coghlan, Marcus O'Sullivan, Frank O'Mara, Ray Flynn)
some very very good milers there,
hells yeah!
I hope they go for it and don't get stuck into racing for the win and running much slower than they are capable of.
let wheating lead off since he is likely to sit back and kick at the end, he'll run his fastest on this leg.
then acosta, centro, rupp!
big willy style wrote:
is the world record within there grasp?
4x1 mile Relay 15:49.08 # Irish Republic 17 Aug 1985 Dublin (S)
(Eamonn Coghlan, Marcus O'Sullivan, Frank O'Mara, Ray Flynn)
some very very good milers there,
it's not out of question, but obviously a huge challenge.
the biggest challenge is to get wheating to get on pace early, you can only make up so much time on a kick (though a :26 last 200 helps). wheating opened up indoors with 1:47.0 so his fitness was looking better than last year by far, but who knows how much he lost due to the injury. he'll likely be at least as good as his 3:38 from last season, and probably better come Penn.
all 4 coming together is not likely, but it could happen.
when Rupp ran his 3:57 he looked like hell, but once he broke the barrier he looked like a new man at NCAA's.
I would suspect he's capable of at least 3:55 now.
The way I see it if it went perfect:
1) Wheating: 3:56
2) Acosta: 3:58
3) Centro: 3:57
4) Rupp: 3:55
So many things can go wrong, one or two of these guys could end up running over 4:00 and even more if the competition goes slow and they are just going for a win and not a record.
No way can I see those guys being on par with the four who hold that record. Maybe in 5 years, but, not now.
A wee bit of perspective here.
4 x Mile+ 15:49.08 Ireland Dublin, Ireland 8/17/85
(Eamonn Coghlan 4:00.2, Marcus O’Sullivan 3:55.3, Frank O’Mara 3:56.6, Ray Flynn 3:56.98)
Which of the Oregon crew would you rank ahead of any of those guys?
will wrote:
No way can I see those guys being on par with the four who hold that record. Maybe in 5 years, but, not now.
well, I agree with you in terms of reputation and those guys are legends, but it's hard to argue the times that these guys have already run.
AJ - 3:58 last year indoors
Rupp - 3:57 this year indoors
Centro - 3:57 this year indoors
Wheating - 1:45.0, 3:38 last year outdoors
pretty solid and other than AJ they seem to be making big strides forward, AJ may too if he's healthy.
Wheating 3:59
Centro 4:03
Acosta 4:01
Rupp 3:58
Maybe next year.
pointing out another idiot wrote:
Wheating 3:59
Centro 4:03
Acosta 4:01
Rupp 3:58
Maybe next year.
rupp opened indoors on a realay with 3:59, you think he's 1 second better in late April? Wheating cruised 3:59 on 200 m. banked, you think he's the same outdoors on a 400 meter track? but yeah, I can see Centro running 6 seconds slower than indoors and slower than high school.
are they even going to Penn? they didn't last year.
suck if they don't.
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