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Not sure if this has been talked about or not but Rupp's 3k qualifier doesn't count. Read more here:
http://www.letsrun.com/2009/rupp0217.php
Apparently the meet had 9 men's events and not 10 (it depends on whether you count the pro mile and college mile as two events or not).
Kipyego's is out as well.
Wow, why do the elite mile and college mile count as one event, but the boys and masters miles are separate from everything else?
no worries, nike will have the decision reversed by tomorrow at noon.
Perhaps Kipyego will use this outcome to decide her events - the 5k and the mile. She indicated in an interview that she was considering running that double anyway.
I think if Rupp didn't spit so much on the sacred Randal Tyson indoor track then maybe his time would have been accepted. But Rupp's disrespect for the 40 NCAA championships and the University of Arkansas is apparent.
I remember this happening a few years ago when Nate Brannen ran the 3:55 mile at Boston.
Neither the NCAA rule nor the Reebok Boston meet have changed since then, so I'm not sure why this is a surprise. It seems like an exercise in stubbornness from both sides.
Who cares. NB is not an American.
The Tyson meet director has to learn the obvious art of perk swapping. Next year they should offer the NCAA T/F Committee advisory / observer positions, have them come out to Fayetteville for some meets, covering the airfare, 5-star hotel rooms, and entertainment costs. In return they should expect the NCAA T/F committee to offer similar ceremonial postions at the NCAA Outdoor and Indoor Championships. Then we won't see the NCAA slighting the performances at the Tyson track anymore. Take that from USATF, BAA, NYRR, Chi Mara, IAAF, etc. They must know what they're doing ;-)
Wow, pure lunacy. Is there another meet at washington rupp can get his qualifier in? He should be able to jog 7:50 up there.
It's the same rule that makes the Pole Vault Summit no longer count for DI qualifying. Although there are 50+ pole vault competitions held there, as far as the NCAA is concerned, it's 9 other events short.
The college coaches should have known better, the burden is on them to know if their athletes are going to countable meets. As mentioned in the article, Boston has had trouble with this in the past, so the college coaches should have known to check.
I think it's dumb, I think both the PV Summit and Boston are obviously very legitimate events and they both should count. I think the NCAA should allow meets to apply for waivers to the rule, and events that have college competitions as part of a broader schedule and that have a history of being run properly should be granted waivers. I think this is how it used to be done? I don't think it's a new rule, but I think they changed how they enforced it a few years ago. Or maybe it is a new rule *shrug*
no way! wrote:
Wow, pure lunacy. Is there another meet at washington rupp can get his qualifier in? He should be able to jog 7:50 up there.
Yes, there are still the MPSF Championships and a Last Chance meet remaining at UW.
It's these kind of dumb rules that make me despise the NCAA so much.
Vin is appealing.
Vin gets what he wants in our sport.
Exchanging Perks wrote:
The Tyson meet director has to learn the obvious art of perk swapping. Next year they should offer the NCAA T/F Committee advisory / observer positions, have them come out to Fayetteville for some meets, covering the airfare, 5-star hotel rooms, and entertainment costs. In return they should expect the NCAA T/F committee to offer similar ceremonial postions at the NCAA Outdoor and Indoor Championships. Then we won't see the NCAA slighting the performances at the Tyson track anymore. Take that from USATF, BAA, NYRR, Chi Mara, IAAF, etc. They must know what they're doing ;-)
Who said anything about Tyson? All those marks are NCAA worthy.
Great News.
Nike can't manipulate this system.
Rupp was probably going to race once more between Tyson and NCAAs so I guess this makes it an easy choice to do a 3k. Sally will hit the time at Big12 if she wants to. Still, this is stupid.
idaNo wrote:
It's these kind of dumb rules that make me despise the NCAA so much.
why? the NCAA is a college system. they are attempting to prevent it from becoming a pro system.
rupp's time is fine for US nationals. but if he wants to be a collegiate runner, he needs to run college races.
white rocker wrote:
idaNo wrote:It's these kind of dumb rules that make me despise the NCAA so much.
why? the NCAA is a college system. they are attempting to prevent it from becoming a pro system.
rupp's time is fine for US nationals. but if he wants to be a collegiate runner, he needs to run college races.
That's not what the decision is about. Lots of collegians run in elite/pro races and record qualifying times. This has been happening for decades.
I shouldn't be surprised. Decisions like this are what you get when small-minded people jealously guard their power. This is so far out of line with the intent of the rule.
1. The rule is in the books.
2. The rule has been enforced in the past.
What kind of dip shit asshole thought that it would be different for the almighty Galen Rupp?
This was the fault of Oregon and Vin and Alberto and not the NCAA. If it is a stupid rule then have it changed before the event. This is just another example of the "NIKE MENTALITY" where they believe that they don't have to follow the rules.
I think Galen should tell the NCAA to f*** off and just skip it totally.
It is just some two bit indoor meet.
I don't really care what the technicalities of the rule are. I don't think there is anyone that believes that Rupp does not deserve to qualify for the 3K. If that is true, then why would any one let a technicality get in the way.
Spare me the slippery slope argument. Every case has its own merits.