Sub-3:30/13:00 club

Dingler wrote:

Said Aouita 1987 3:29.46 12:58.39

Daniel Komen 1997 3:29.46 12:39.74

Ali Saidi-Sief* 2001 3:29.51 12:50.86

Hicham El Guerrouj 2003 3:26.00 12:50.24

Bernard Lagat 2005 3:26.34 12:59.22

*Later suspended for doping violation in same year as sub-3:30 performance.

Pretty exclusive list considering around 20 guys have gone sub 3:30 and around 60 have gone sub 13:00. I think it's inevitable that Rashid Ramzi will make this list. Mulugeta Wendimu, Isaac Songok and Augustine Choge are close, although none have run a fast 1500m in a few years (I think Wendimu was actually running marathons in 2006-2007 before comming back to the track). Sydnee Maree was also pretty close back in 1985.

These guys are the best ever, yet, not one of them has run a marathon...I still maintain that the fascination with marathons is overrated

The only American (at present) that I could envision joining this elite group would be Alan Webb. He certainly has the talent.

Big El G fan wrote:These guys are the best ever, yet, not one of them has run a marathon...I still maintain that the fascination with marathons is overrated

Ironic...especially with your name. Here's a good quote from EL G.

"Maybe I will defend my title at the World championships next year. This year my objective was to win both races at the Olympics in Athens, which is the birthplace of the sport and my ‘birthplace’ as an athlete. Next year I will move onto the next stage and try to break the 5000 m world record. Who knows? Maybe I will be there in 2008 after all, racing against Bekele again at the marathon."

Apparently he had somem fascination with the marathon as well. Also you say they are the best ever...no offense but how can you not include Geb and bekele in the best ever? They are the best ever 1500/5k guys. Not the best distance runners ever.

Mottram's got to be close. He ran 3:48 and change for the full mile.

sidney maree is pretty close too. he ran 3:29 and around 13:03 i think.

Noureddine Morceli has 3:27 and 13:03

I'm sure he was capable of sub-13 at one point in his career

Also Venuste Niyongabo has 3:29 and 13:03

What is the difference between a mile and a full mile?

sagarin wrote:

Mottram's got to be close. He ran 3:48 and change for the full mile.

irun wrote:

sidney maree is pretty close too. he ran 3:29 and around 13:03 i think.

sydney ran 13:01.15 when finishing 2nd to aouita's 13'00.40wr

it was a shitty paced raced with a derisory 4th km & a humongous last lap by aouita

even pace thruout, they wouda been looking at 12'56 - 12'58

13'03 with a last lap of 51s !!!

even pace & he wouda gone 12'55

Kipchoge has 12:46 but only 3:33

Bekele has gone 12:37 but only 3:32

Haile did 12:37 but 3:31 indoors means that he would have been pretty close outdoors.

They all could have been faster over 1500, but for AK and KB sub 3;30 is a bit of a stretch.

Noureddine Morceli went 3:27 and 13:03...I think he closed in close to 50 seconds as well so he could have gone sub 13 I think. He beat Skah by 4 seconds (who ran 13:00 later that year, Bob Kennedy by about 9 seconds and a moroccan who (6 years later) ran 12;49. His build was a lot closer to Haile and Bekele's are versus most great 1500m runners that are taller-Cram, El G, Komen, Ryun, lagat cacho etc. It would have been interesting to see a motivated Morceli in top 1993-1994 form being paced though 3k in 7:40-7:45 and then being cut loose. 12:50 might not have been out of the question.

Noah Ngeny might have been able to do it as well, although the 1000m world record holder might have found laps 6-10 a bit tough.

Niyangabo (sp?), was under 3:30 and was Olympic 5000m champ (13:07?).

9 meters

wordsmith wrote:

What is the difference between a mile and a full mile?

sagarin wrote:

Mottram's got to be close. He ran 3:48 and change for the full mile.

Did Seb Coe ever try a 5000?

joetn wrote:

9 meters

wordsmith wrote:

What is the difference between a mile and a full mile?

A 1600m is 1600m and a mile is 1609 meters. There is no difference between a mile and a full mile, the latter term just shows not knowing the difference betweem the two.

Isaac Songok is pretty close, 12:4x and 3:30high, although he has raced the 1500m a lot and would need to lower his pr about a second (as opposed to a "full second")

I think bekele could do it, maybe kiprop in a couple of years, ramzi as well

j;ljk;lj wrote:

I think bekele could do it, maybe kiprop in a couple of years, ramzi as well

Kiprop has ran 3 1500s under 3:35: a 3:31.64 ranking him 277th on the world 1500 list, a 3:32 and a 3:33. I just don't see it. And he has run 1:44, so it's not like he would have the endurance to run 13:00 based on anything we've seen yet. He is young though.

fUrCeOsNhN wrote:Noureddine Morceli went 3:27 and 13:03...I think he closed in close to 50 seconds as well so he could have gone sub 13 I think

you think ???

you obviously didn't see the race

he ran the last lap like it was a training 400

12'55 shape

ventolin wrote:

fUrCeOsNhN wrote:Noureddine Morceli went 3:27 and 13:03...I think he closed in close to 50 seconds as well so he could have gone sub 13 I think

you think ???

you obviously didn't see the race

he ran the last lap like it was a training 400

12'55 shape

you think ???

you obviously can't read

Right after that I said he probably could have been close to 12:50

Why were you arguing with me when clearly, based on my post, we are in agreeement?

you think he couda gone <13'00 & then in same post you say "close to 12'50"

clearly incongrous, nonsense range

cut the crap & give a number

i'll give some later