I apologize if my facetious reference to the Alhambra 5km was disrespectful to Bauhs. I am in no way making light of Bauhs' accomplishments - and did not "infer" that Bauhs was not a real champion - I'm only trying to point out that his DII wins do not make him MORE of a champion than Rupp. (It's my opinion.)
[By the way, I didn't "infer" anything; if I meant something that I didn't actually say, I'd have "implied" it. If you read something into what I've said that I didn't actually say, then you have "inferred" it.]
Bauhs has been a great runner on the DII level - and certainly would, at this point in his career, be a factor in DI. I simply don't believe that his previous accomplishments make him a greater "champion" than Rupp. (Again, that's my opinion.) You all are entitled to your opinion as to what constitutes a champion, but I believe that Rupp's accomplishments speak for themselves.
Bauhs' titles certainly are real, as are Rupp's records and high placings.
With regard to the expectations of Bauhs at the Trials, I sat amongst a large group of folks who picked Bauhs to make the team. He had run a pretty darn good 10000 earlier in the spring, and many felt that he had a legitimate shot at making the team. Even Letsrun had this to say before the meet: "Scott Bauhs - Rupp has been viewed by Nike and Alberto as the future of American distance running for quite some time. Well Bauhs is sort of the every day man's Rupp. The guy is 3 days younger than Rupp and without the high altitude tents, anti-gravity treadmills or even a D1 scholarship, has managed to run 27:45.." I'd argue that many folks believed that he could "step up" at the Trials. (For those of you not familiar with the results, Rupp was 2nd while Bauhs was 16th, 71 seconds back. Is this the type of result that shows that Bauhs has the ability to step up while Rupp doesn't?)
Again, my goal is not lessen Bauhs' accomplishments; the original poster used these accomplishments as proof that Rupp doesn't have what it takes to be a champion. I strongly disagree and hope that both Bauhs and Rupp continue to improve and represent our country at a high level for many years to come.
I had a kid win the JV race today in our District cross country meet; I had another kid get 3rd in the varsity race. My varsity kid has never won a race of the magnitude of the District Meet, but he's been 1st team all state twice; is my JV champ more of a "champion" than my varsity kid?
thanks, I'll take my response off the air.
Now we have a "respected" high school coach talking sh!t about Bauhs accomplishments. Maybe Rupp should have run DII, do you think AlSal would have let him? No, psycho Al desperately needed the limelight once again. Besides, last time I checked Scott Bauhs was the DII champ. Rupp? No dice, not even DIII, no win = no champion.
Since, as you infer, Bauhs isn't a "real" champion, then perhaps Rupp jr. records aren't "real" either.
Nobody was really expecting Bauhs to "step up" at the trials. Though I'm sure at least half of the running world would have loved to see SB take down the prima donna Rupp.
Rupp has the talent to win NCAA's this year, but he simply cannot get the job done. Sorry Dave, finishing second isn't winning. Finishing second with Rupp's talent, clear advantages, and wild hype is just about embarrassing.[/quote]
Be sure to take your meds.
Rupp is an overwhelming dissappointment?? haha u guys are insane.
No matter what advantages and luxuries Rupp has, you can give those same things and even more to the rest of the NCAA, and Rupp would still be on top. Rupp knew wat it takes to be one of the best runners in the nation, so he went out and got them.
Listen I know it hurts I feel the pain to. We like to think that the kick ass guys who run faster then us are tough all american boys/men in the Prefontaine tradition. We want one of these guys to take down the big tough africans. But Bauhs is dealing with the d2 kenyans so you are left with Rupp and German to go after Chelanga.
Now I know it hurts but rupp has run 27:33, rupp was at his best when it mattered most, the trials and the games. Yes before you get up in arms, I have scene that horrible photo, I have suffered through the interviews. I don't know if he is gay. I don't care because he is, well, quite girly and that is what hurts this soft girly guy is kicking our ass. I mean we are out there getting our 100 mile weeks in and being real tough but damn it the kid is really really good. So we bitch about his coach, we bitch about the stuff he gets from Nike, we bitch that he shouldn't be eligible. But here is the real deal, no american his age has ever run faster, does he have some advantages, sure maybe but I don't care fast is fast and rupp is faster. Faster then you, faster then me and if we are lucky, and this is my good old true blue USA side talking, he will be faster then Chelanga.
Has Rupp ever won a National Championship race in either high school or college? Sammy trained with Paul Tergat, Robert Cheryoit and his brother in Kenya, along with being the only guy who could put the hurt on Josh McDougal in workouts. He won't be awed by Galen and he will make him hurt from the word go.
NCAA titles are a dime a dozen compared to going to World's and the Olympics.