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Upright Citizen
How does martial law work? 10/9/2008 5:36PM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Implementation could be just around the corner. In general, how does martial law work? Should I be concerned if I am already a good law abiding citizen? Are there any suggestions on how to appear more upstanding so that I can avoid trouble?
What is this?
RE: How does martial law work? 10/9/2008 5:47PM - in reply to Upright Citizen Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Google is your friend.
Alacrity
RE: How does martial law work? 10/9/2008 6:10PM - in reply to Upright Citizen Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Martial law is when the military becomes one with the government. It is implemented in periods of shock and often doesn't serve to benefit the citizens but brutalize and implement new government orders.
CH
RE: How does martial law work? 10/9/2008 7:39PM - in reply to Upright Citizen Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Martial law is probably not something we have much to worry about in the US. Our military officers take an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the US - their allegiance lies there and not with the politicians currently running things (into the ground, I might add). I doubt most of our politicians in DC have even read the Constitution based upon recent events.
Vietnam vet
RE: How does martial law work? 10/9/2008 8:04PM - in reply to Upright Citizen Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
On Wednesday, October 1 for the first time in US history, the military was given the mission of handling emergencies within the United States. These emergencies include controlling US citizens during civil unrest. The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 prohibates this, but the Bush administration have not been stopped by laws before. The First Combat Brigade of the Third Division(the most blooded brigade to serve in Iraq) will be turning their guns on US citizens here at home if necessary.
Mtn Dew
RE: How does martial law work? 10/9/2008 8:07PM - in reply to CH Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
[quote]CH wrote:
Our military officers take an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the USquote]

And yet they fight against the constitution every day.
obamacon
RE: How does martial law work? 10/9/2008 8:24PM - in reply to Upright Citizen Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
You'll find out after Obama is elected. 4 more years of Bush, ruling under special emergency powers. My liberal friends have told me that it is true.
JimG
RE: How does martial law work? 10/9/2008 9:05PM - in reply to obamacon Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Under martial law, the husband and wife are supposed to split everything 50-50 unless there is a pre-nuptial agreement that states otherwise.

Oh, that's MARITAL law. Never mind.
Blowing Rock Master
RE: How does martial law work? 10/9/2008 9:12PM - in reply to Vietnam vet Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
What the hell are you talking about?

BTW, the Union Army declared martial law in several areas of the north during the Civil War, so it wouldn't be the first time.
Duhhhh
RE: How does martial law work? 10/9/2008 9:38PM - in reply to Blowing Rock Master Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
you missed the 1878 thing, dumb$hit!!!!!
Blowing Rock Master
RE: How does martial law work? 10/10/2008 8:08AM - in reply to Duhhhh Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
What happened in 1878?
jeezlouise
RE: How does martial law work? 10/10/2008 8:50AM - in reply to Blowing Rock Master Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I know most runners are dumb as bricks, but is this your first time on the internet?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

"The act was a response to and subsequent prohibition of the military occupation by U.S. Army troops of the former Confederates States during the ten years of Reconstruction (1867-1877) following the U.S. Civil War (1861-1865). Federal troops were withdrawn from Southern states as a result of a compromise in one of the most disputed national elections in American history, the 1876 U.S. presidential election. Samuel J. Tilden of New York, the Democratic candidate, defeated Republican candidate, Rutherford B. Hayes of Ohio, in the popular vote with 184 electoral votes to Rutherford Hayes' 165, with 20 votes yet uncounted. The 20 electoral votes were in dispute. After a bitter fight, a deal was struck resolving the dispute and awarding the presidency to Rutherford B. Hayes."

"In early 2006, the 109th Congress passed a bill containing controversial provisions that granted the President additional rights to use federal or state National Guard Troops inside the United States in emergency situations. These changes were included in the John Warner Defense Appropriation Act for Fiscal Year 2007 (H.R. 5122.ENR).

These changes were repealed in their entirety in 2008, except for the provisions of the Presidential signing statement which retained any powers, the repeal of which, the president may determine to be unconstitutional."

This is the critical part. Under the hogwash "unitary executive theory" espoused by Bush, Cheney and their cronies, the president simply isn't limited by acts of Congress that he disagrees with. Instead of the Supreme Court determining the separation of powers, the President's personal attorney chooses the limits of presidential powers. He has given himself more authority than Julius Caesar and Genghis Khan put together and denotes the end of the American experiment...

"On September 30, 2008 the US Army announced that the 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team (BCT) will be under the day-to-day control of US Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command (NORTHCOM), as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

This marks the first time an active US Army unit will be given a dedicated assignment to NORTHCOM, where it is stated they may be "called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive (CBRNE) attack." These soldiers will also learn how to use non-lethal weapons designed to "subdue unruly or dangerous individuals" without killing them, and also includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets[2].

This also demonstrates the possibility of utilizing federal troops for missions within the United States, essentially eliminating any recognition of Posse Comitatus."
What is this?
RE: How does martial law work? 10/10/2008 9:18AM - in reply to jeezlouise Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
These troops could also be used to keep Bush/Cheney in power if they decided they did not want to turn the reins over to McCain or Obama, could they not.. The American people would not stand for that although they might be powerless to act..
College Guy
RE: How does martial law work? 10/10/2008 9:49AM - in reply to What is this? Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

What is this? wrote:
These troops could also be used to keep Bush/Cheney in power if they decided they did not want to turn the reins over to McCain or Obama, could they not.. The American people would not stand for that although they might be powerless to act..


Too bad we gave up our guns because we knew that nothing bad could ever happen.
free dom
RE: How does martial law work? 10/10/2008 9:52AM - in reply to College Guy Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
exactly when and where did you give up your guns?
do you really think an armed citizen revolt against the US army would achieve anything?


College Guy wrote:
Too bad we gave up our guns because we knew that nothing bad could ever happen.
Blowing Rock Master
RE: How does martial law work? 10/10/2008 10:04AM - in reply to jeezlouise Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I didn't realize I could google "1878 thing" and "Posse Comitatus Act" would be the response.

Lets try that and see what I get. Hmmm, the first item listed is "Daisy Miller by Henry James". The second is "The Indian Treasure Trove Act". The third is "Claude Bernard". As I look down the page I don't see "Posse Comitatus Act". Maybe Mr. Duhhh should have been more specific in his criticism of me, for all I know he's a Henry Miller fan (and thus probably gay).

Besides, my post had nothing to do with Posse Comitatus. I was pointing out to the OP that martial law had been imposed in the US before, contrary to his statement.

I suggest you and Mr. Duhh spend a little more time working on your reading comprehension and debating skills, and a little less time on whacko conspiracy theories.

Twit.
mother clucker
RE: How does martial law work? 10/10/2008 10:10AM - in reply to College Guy Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Speak for yourself.



College Guy wrote:

Too bad we gave up our guns because we knew that nothing bad could ever happen.
check that
RE: How does martial law work? 10/10/2008 10:53AM - in reply to free dom Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

free dom wrote:

exactly when and where did you give up your guns?
do you really think an armed citizen revolt against the US army would achieve anything?


College Guy wrote:
Too bad we gave up our guns because we knew that nothing bad could ever happen.



Yeah, because the U.S. Army is having no problems putting down all those armed non-military people in Iraq.
completing the thought
RE: How does martial law work? 10/10/2008 12:18PM - in reply to Upright Citizen Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Upright Citizen wrote:

Implementation could be just around the corner.


...in your fantasy world, perhaps.
Concentration Camps
RE: How does martial law work? 10/10/2008 12:45PM - in reply to Upright Citizen Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The government rounded up the Japanese on the west coast and put them in concentration camps in 1942. That's how chicken shit martial law can be.
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