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rojo
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Is Catherine Ndereba The Greatest Female Marathoner in History? Rank Your Top 10 Here 10/8/2008 10:21PM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I found an interesting article by Phil Hersh on the LA Times website where he ranks the top 10 female marathoners in history.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2008/10/ranking-womens.html

I highly encourage you to read his article and his reasoning.

His top 10 are:
1. Catherine Ndereba
2. Grete Waitz
3. Paula Radcliffe
4. Joan Benoit Samuelson
5. Rosa Mota
6. Lidia Simon
7. Katrin Dorre
8. Ingrid Kristiansen
9. Valentina Yegorova
10. Naoko Takahashi

What does everyone else think? I'd never really thought of who is the greatest but his article raises some interesting questions. The top 3 women seem to have flaws to their resumes as Joanie is the only won with the world record and Olympic gold medal.

While admitting it's basically an impossible task, particularly when you are comparing people from different eras, I think coming up with a top 10 for the women's marathon is seriously the perfect exercise.

On some level, I would say I have no problem arguing that Radcliffe is the greatest ever despite her Olympic failures as Ndereba has never won Olympic gold either. I mean her absolute performances are leaps above everyone else's.

But maybe I could be convinced othterwise.

It's too late (1:30 am) for me to really analyze this but I thought I'd get the discussion going.

Full article:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2008/10/ranking-womens.html
Brett in Tokyo
RE: Is Catherine Ndereba The Greatest Female Marathoner in History? Rank Your Top 10 Here 10/8/2008 10:29PM - in reply to rojo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Naoko Takahashi also had the world record and an Olympic gold medal.
txRUNNERgirl
RE: Is Catherine Ndereba The Greatest Female Marathoner in History? Rank Your Top 10 Here 10/8/2008 10:47PM - in reply to rojo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I think top 4 should be:

1) Joan Benoit Samuelson
2) Paula Radcliffe
3) Catherine Ndereba
4) Grete Waitz

Is this only post-1984 Olympics?
PeteRose
RE: Is Catherine Ndereba The Greatest Female Marathoner in History? Rank Your Top 10 Here 10/8/2008 10:54PM - in reply to txRUNNERgirl Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
#1 right now (historically speaking) is Joan Benoit hands down. Her times from nearly 30 years ago on tougher courses still rival the world's top times. (obviously Paula's WR is a good deal below those, but still)
Judy
RE: Is Catherine Ndereba The Greatest Female Marathoner in History? Rank Your Top 10 Here 10/8/2008 10:57PM - in reply to rojo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
You blkes are crazy.Radcliffe is far and away the best ever female marathon runner.Look at how far ahead her WR is.
running man
RE: Is Catherine Ndereba The Greatest Female Marathoner in History? Rank Your Top 10 Here 10/8/2008 10:58PM - in reply to txRUNNERgirl Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
i'd say

1) Catherine Ndereba
2) Paula Radcliffe
3) Joan Benoit
4) Grete Waitz
txRUNNERgirl
RE: Is Catherine Ndereba The Greatest Female Marathoner in History? Rank Your Top 10 Here 10/8/2008 11:06PM - in reply to Judy Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Judy wrote:

You blkes are crazy.Radcliffe is far and away the best ever female marathon runner.Look at how far ahead her WR is.


Sure, but records fall over time. I think JBS is the the greatest in history given her entire career. But then again Paula is still competing, so it's difficult to compare athletes from different eras.
No to 2012
RE: Is Catherine Ndereba The Greatest Female Marathoner in History? Rank Your Top 10 Here 10/9/2008 1:22AM - in reply to PeteRose Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

PeteRose wrote:

#1 right now (historically speaking) is Joan Benoit hands down. Her times from nearly 30 years ago on tougher courses still rival the world's top times. (obviously Paula's WR is a good deal below those, but still)




Really?

Benoit’s PB is 2.21.21.

To my mind there’s no question as to who is the greatest female marathon runner of all time.
The lady that still owns four of the five fastest times ever run.
Her best three marathon times average 2.16.48.
Which is about two minutes faster that the next lady, Ndereba’s best time of 2.18.47.
Apart from the two Olympic races where she was clearly either injured or ill and had it not been an Olympic race, she’d never contemplated running - she’s uniquely unbeaten in every race she’s entered fully fit, including the World Championships.
Does Not Have
RE: Is Catherine Ndereba The Greatest Female Marathoner in History? Rank Your Top 10 Here 10/9/2008 1:47AM - in reply to No to 2012 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Margaret Okayo, who has the course records in both Boston and New York City, should be on the list somewhere
Snatch
RE: Is Catherine Ndereba The Greatest Female Marathoner in History? Rank Your Top 10 Here 10/9/2008 1:49AM - in reply to rojo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
No contest
Radcliffe.
The others can line up and get the Emotional Votes.
Johnny Rotten
RE: Is Catherine Ndereba The Greatest Female Marathoner in History? Rank Your Top 10 Here 10/9/2008 1:50AM - in reply to No to 2012 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Joan Benoit, though, ran her races and times without the benefit of many forebears--she was essentially out there all by her lonesome lighting the place up. For that alone I put her at #2 and Radcliffe at #2.
down east
RE: Is Catherine Ndereba The Greatest Female Marathoner in History? Rank Your Top 10 Here 10/9/2008 4:11AM - in reply to Johnny Rotten Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
johnny wins. jbs ran faster or beat anyone she needed to to prove her dominance. and she has a gold medal from the olympics but you know that and choose to overlook it.
trollism
RE: Is Catherine Ndereba The Greatest Female Marathoner in History? Rank Your Top 10 Here 10/9/2008 4:37AM - in reply to down east Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
JBS seems to be getting a few extra points based on which country she represented.
fgfg
RE: Is Catherine Ndereba The Greatest Female Marathoner in History? Rank Your Top 10 Here 10/9/2008 4:47AM - in reply to rojo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Oprah and who f***en cares
obamacon
RE: Is Catherine Ndereba The Greatest Female Marathoner in History? Rank Your Top 10 Here 10/9/2008 6:46AM - in reply to rojo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Ndereba is the greatest competitor - fearless. I'd put her #1. Not sure by Ingrid Kristiansen is down so low...I'd bump her up a bit.
run for the sun
RE: Is Catherine Ndereba The Greatest Female Marathoner in History? Rank Your Top 10 Here 10/9/2008 7:21AM - in reply to obamacon Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Unless you have concluded that she was a drug cheat, Uta Pippig should be top five. 3 Boston victories, 3 Berlin and one in NY.
Mr. Ray
RE: Is Catherine Ndereba The Greatest Female Marathoner in History? Rank Your Top 10 Here 10/9/2008 7:26AM - in reply to rojo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I ran against Greta Waitz in a 5K in 1983, and she kicked my butt pretty handily, for what that's worth. I haven't raced any of the others.

Didn't Paula have some goofy escort/pacemaker when she was setting her world records?
Fatuma
RE: Is Catherine Ndereba The Greatest Female Marathoner in History? Rank Your Top 10 Here 10/9/2008 7:55AM - in reply to Mr. Ray Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
YOU FORGOT about Fatuma Roba who was the first African to win the Olympic Marathon in 1996 along with 3 consecutive Boston Marathon Wins.
Dusty Bones
RE: Is Catherine Ndereba The Greatest Female Marathoner in History? Rank Your Top 10 Here 10/9/2008 8:09AM - in reply to Fatuma Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
There are several tiebreakers between Radcliffe and Ndereba that go in Paula's favor. Paula has three times faster than Ndereba's best, the fastest of which is 3:22 better. In very close finishes, races that were not routs, Paula beat Susan Chepkemei in one NYC Marathon and Gete Wami in another, while Ndereba lost to Okayo in Boston. And in the closest thing that qualifies as a match race between the two, when both were fit, Radcliffe beat Ndereba at the 2005 Woirld Championships.
gorney
RE: Is Catherine Ndereba The Greatest Female Marathoner in History? Rank Your Top 10 Here 10/9/2008 8:52AM - in reply to Dusty Bones Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
1) Waitz
2) Radcliffe
3) Benoit-Samuelson
4) Ndereba

solely by looks:

1) Allison Roe
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