5K & 800M Heats Unfair!!!

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15 years ago 06/27/2008 1:09am EDT

The 1st heats in both events are too loaded. Lagat, Teg, Riley, Vaughn & Goucher in the first 5K heat? KRob, Burley, JJ and Lopez in the first 800M heat? Plus, the first heat on its own is always the toughest to qualify from.

Heat 1 Prelims

1 1303 Ryan Vail unattached, Gres

2 1090 Jonathon Riley Nike, Madison, W

3 523 Adam Goucher Nike, Portland,

4 488 Matthew Gabrielson Reebok, Minneapo

5 931 Thomas Morgan ZAP Fitness, Blo

6 886 Hassan Mead unattached, Minn

7 767 Bernard Lagat Nike, Tucson, AZ

8 1032 Stephen Pifer Colorado, Boulde

9 1264 Matt Tegenkamp Nike, Madison, W

10 1307 Brent Vaughn Colorado, Boulde

11 279 Andrew Carlson T USA Minn/N Bal

12 1111 Josh Rohatinsky Nike, Beaverton,

Heat 2 Prelims

1 1205 Chris Solinsky Nike, Madison, W

2 142 Bolota Asmerom Oregon TC Elite,

3 495 Anthony Gallo Run Flagstaff Mz

4 740 Ryan Kirkpatrick Reebok, Colorado

5 404 Ian Dobson adidas, Mammoth

6 358 Robert Curtis Villanova, Ardmo

7 736 Kyle King ZAP Fitness, Blo

8 751 Rod Koborsi Reebok, Washingt

9 1258 Patrick Tarpy Reebok, Providen

10 1134 Galen Rupp unattached, Port

11 152 Ryan Bak Oregon TC Elite,

12 1237 James Strang Arkansas, Fayett

Heat 1 Prelims

1 1206 Duane Solomon U S C, Lompoc, C

2 262 Sam Burley Asics, Arlington

3 1271 Floyd Thompson Santa Monica T C

4 1174 Brandon Shaw Oregon TC Elite,

5 1100 Khadevis Robinson Nike, Santa Moni

6 202 Elliott Blount Oregon TC Elite,

7 1022 Carlos Phillips Florida, Gainesv

8 705 Jonathan Johnson Reebok, Lubbock,

9 812 Lopez Lomong Nike, Colorado S

10 322 Golden Coachman Mississippi St.,

Heat 2 Prelims

1 1355 Mark Wieczorek Team XO, Springf

2 439 Kevin Elliott Oregon TC Elite,

3 944 Tyler Mulder unattached, Ceda

4 568 Jebreh Harris Reebok, Knoxvill

5 440 Tetlo Emmen Asics Aggie, Cap

6 826 Abraham Mach Central Mich., E

7 441 Dustin Emrani Oregon TC Elite,

8 247 Ryan Brown Asics, Seattle,

9 1151 Matt Scherer Oregon TC Elite,

10 1253 Nicholas Symmonds Oregon TC Elite,

Heat 3 Prelims

1 909 Neville Miller New York A C, Co

2 763 David Krummenacker adidas, Tucson,

3 593 James Hatch unattached, Boul

4 1092 Trent Riter unattached, Minn

5 577 Tim Harris Miami, Miami, FL

6 617 Jacob Hernandez Texas, Austin, T

7 624 Kevin Hicks Oregon TC Elite,

8 1195 Christian Smith Oregon TC Elite,

9 1346 Andrew Wheating Oregon, Eugene,

10 1065 Jon Rankin Nike, Chula Vist

15 years ago 06/27/2008 7:11am EDT

re: no way....

It is all about helping the local boys, Rupp and Symmonds.

15 years ago 06/27/2008 7:22am EDT

re: Tedrick P

unfair?

run fast and don't worry about it

slow runners are the only ones concerned

15 years ago 06/27/2008 7:35am EDT

re: no way....

I'll agree the first heat of the 5k looks to over loaded compared to the second heat but the 800 heats look pretty fair with the first and third heats looking slightly stronger (on paper).

15 years ago 06/27/2008 8:07am EDT

re: Athlete and coach

how many qualify from each though?

is the 800 three rounds or four? even if only three, it goes from 30 to 16, so i'd guess at an absolute minimum there would be 4 time qualifiers - top 4 in each heat plus the next 4 fastest times. in other words as many as 8 could make it out of one heat.

and in the 5000, what's the size of the final? is it only 12? again, even at 12, you're looking at 4 from each heat plus 4 time qualifiers. still allows for up to 8 qualifiers from one heat.

in either situation, you just want to make sure you're in the fastest heat. you'd hope that an overloaded heat would be full of people who realize that and who push the pace. i'm constantly surprised, however, by how little strategy goes into pacing in heats at the US level.

15 years ago 06/27/2008 8:11am EDT

re: Athlete and coach

5000 heats: It looks like they ranked the seed times, then set up the heats using a simple method:

Seed Heat

1 1

2 2

3 2

4 1

5 1

6 2

7 2

8 1

9 1

10 2

etc.

So that seems to be fair.

800 heats: they apparently assigned heats randomly. Here is how they break down giving the rank of their seed time.

Heat 1

1. Khadevis Robinson

3. Jonathan Johnson

7. Samuel Burley

8. Duane Solomon

9. Lopez Lomong

11. Floyd Thompson

12. Brandon Shaw

13. Elliott Blount

18. Carlos Phillips

22. Golden Coachman

Heat 2

2. Nicholas Symmonds

6. Jebreh Harris

10. Matt Scherer

17. Tetlo Emmen

19. Ryan Brown

20. Kevin Elliott

23. Dustin Emrani

24. Tyler Mulder

28. Mark Wieczorek

30. Abraham Mach

Heat 3

4. Jacob Hernandez

5. Andrew Wheating

14. James Hatch

15. Kevin Hicks

16. Trent Riter

21. David Krummenacker

25. Jon Rankin

26. Neville Miller

27. Tim Harris

29. Christian Smith

This seems a bit unbalanced, with the first heat having 8 of the top 15 seeds, while heat 2 has 3, and heat 3 has 4.

15 years ago 06/27/2008 9:47am EDT

re: mcgato

The 800 and 1500 usually are seeded using best marks from the current year instead of entry marks, so that may be what happened. Just guessing.

15 years ago 06/27/2008 10:34am EDT

re: I think IIRC

It looks like you are correct. Using the 2008 time ranks, the heats look like this.

Rank Heat

1 1

2 2

3 3

4 3

5 2

6 1

7 1

8 2

9 3

10 3

11 2

12 1

13 1

14 2

etc. This seems more fair.

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