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wonderwall
Caitlin Chock 6/17/2008 6:51PM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
What ever happened to this girl? I know she was dealing with some problems in like 03' through 05'.
Go Cait
RE: Caitlin Chock 6/17/2008 7:22PM - in reply to wonderwall Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I'm not sure what happened to her either, but it would be awesome if she made a comeback. She has loads of talent and is a really sweet girl.
Starvin Marvin
RE: Caitlin Chock 6/17/2008 7:24PM - in reply to wonderwall Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
What happened to Caitlin Chock? What happens to a lot of fine women runners (mostly high school), anorexia! Either that, or she just burned out - mentally/physically.
Starvin Marvin
RE: Caitlin Chock 6/17/2008 7:26PM - in reply to Starvin Marvin Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
A quick Google image search is adequate proof.
Makes you think...
RE: Caitlin Chock 6/17/2008 8:08PM - in reply to Starvin Marvin Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Does anyone know when she ran her last race? I believe it was at the oregon invite in 2006, but I'm not sure. She's still young so I wouldn't count her out just yet, but what do I know.
enough
RE: Caitlin Chock 6/17/2008 9:39PM - in reply to Makes you think... Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
last i heard she was running a few races under aliases/nicknames to avoid attention...i think at this point she's just running for fun
doug burke
RE: Caitlin Chock 6/17/2008 10:34PM - in reply to Starvin Marvin Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Starvin Marvin wrote:

What happened to Caitlin Chock? What happens to a lot of fine women runners (mostly high school), anorexia! Either that, or she just burned out - mentally/physically.


that is what i heard eating disorder anorexia or bulemia.

question girls/females are far more likely than boys/males to have eating disorders in which the female tries to get below a healthy weight, although in sports like distance running, wrestling, boxing sometimes a male athlete will try to cut to much weight to try to get an advantage over opponents or more likely in wrestling/boxing because the athlete feels they need to cut a lot of weight because all of their opponents do.

so my question is is anorexia/bulemia a disproportionately europeean female (meaning white). problem, i can think of a seemingly endless number of white females who quit, were told to quit, or were forced to quit due to eating disorders yet i cant think of 1 even small name ethiopian, kenyan, japanese female who quit running due to anorexia/bulimia, yes i know there are millions of malnourished africans male and female who are unhealthy because they dont eat enough, but i cant think of one who is say 100 pounds then is 95 pounds the next year, but wants to get to 90 then 85 etc. basically they are skinny, but seemingly healthy.
Melissa
RE: Caitlin Chock 6/17/2008 10:44PM - in reply to doug burke Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Women/girls suffering from eating disorders should not be permitted to run. Running success simply reinforces and perpetuates their condition, which can ultimately lead to death. It is a serious problem that must be brought into the open, discussed, and addressed. Anorexic women/girls are not serious runners, they are mentally-ill women who are trying desperately to lose more weight through constant exercise and starvation.
getting help
RE: Caitlin Chock 6/17/2008 10:53PM - in reply to Melissa Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
http://www.kcra.com/sports/2618213/detail.html


The article is titled High School Runner Battles Eating Disorder.

Most wouldn't come out to the public to admit it. i wish her luck recovering..... the disease sucks big time.
Think fast
RE: Caitlin Chock 6/17/2008 11:10PM - in reply to getting help Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
She went the way of Kim Mortenson and Amber Trotter.
Health is #1
RE: Caitlin Chock 6/18/2008 1:03AM - in reply to wonderwall Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Although I would love to see her make a comeback, I wish her health first. When and if she does get healthy, she will better then ever.
Mr. Obvious
RE: Caitlin Chock 6/18/2008 6:29AM - in reply to doug burke Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

doug burke wrote:

[quote]Starvin Marvin wrote:

so my question is is anorexia/bulemia a disproportionately europeean female (meaning white). problem, i can think of a seemingly endless number of white females who quit, were told to quit, or were forced to quit due to eating disorders yet i cant think of 1 even small name ethiopian, kenyan, japanese female who quit running due to anorexia/bulimia, yes i know there are millions of malnourished africans male and female who are unhealthy because they dont eat enough, but i cant think of one who is say 100 pounds then is 95 pounds the next year, but wants to get to 90 then 85 etc. basically they are skinny, but seemingly healthy.


I've done a fair bit of reading in this area but it is a tricky question. My best reading is that eating disorders are primarily a manifestation of a severe anxiety disorder. Anxiety disorders occur in all cultures but it seems as though the particular response of disordered eating is somewhat socially determined. There are many reports of people in different cultures, including africans, who suffer from eating disorders but the rates seem to be different.

As for the 2nd question, I don't know. I suspect that if there are kenyan distance runners suffering from bulimia you just don't hear about them. I doubt any of them know who Caitlyn Chock is either.
Starvin Marvin
RE: Caitlin Chock 6/18/2008 8:17AM - in reply to Mr. Obvious Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I believe Kenyan, Ethiopian, etc. runners have eating disorders. We just haven't heard of them because they fell apart long before they reached the the international competition.

With that being said, I doubt anorexia/bulimia is as widespread in a country like Kenya. This is because "bigger" woman are considered beautiful. Kenyan brides tend to gain weigh before getting marriage (Thanks, National Geographic!).

Europeans probably possess eating disorders. Because Western influence in fashion, culture, etc.
bdsambo
RE: Caitlin Chock 6/18/2008 8:25AM - in reply to Starvin Marvin Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
eating disorders are also very prevalent in many Asian and South American cultures, those that idealize the image of skinny women as beautiful...also to one of the above posters, you can't always not "allow" a person with an Ed to not run unless you completely control their life and if as a coach or professional you do this, they may simply sneak around and run even more on their own
Vanessa
RE: Caitlin Chock 6/18/2008 11:46AM - in reply to Starvin Marvin Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Eating disorders are classified as a mental illness by the American Psychiatric Association. They are biologically-based, not due to some beauty or fashion ideal. Only 50% of anorexic women can be cured, and 20% of them will die from complications of the illness.

Obviously, a coach cannot prevent a female with the illness to stop running completely, but a coach can certainly disallow ED runners on their teams, and thus not act as "enablers" for these women to rationalize their unhealthy behavior by putting it in the context of being a positive contribution to the team.
bdsambo
RE: Caitlin Chock 6/18/2008 12:10PM - in reply to Vanessa Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
ED's are not strictly biologically based. If they were, why would they be much, much more common in cultures where food is plentiful and ideal images of women are skinny.
Vanessa
RE: Caitlin Chock 6/18/2008 12:29PM - in reply to bdsambo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
What is your authority for this? While the incidence of ED has been studied more in the higher socio-economic countries, ED sufferers have been identified in all continents. ED existed in the U.S. even before thinness was idealized here. By biologically-based, I mean that ED is not a choice.
BS
RE: Caitlin Chock 6/18/2008 12:40PM - in reply to Vanessa Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Vanessa wrote:

Eating disorders are classified as a mental illness by the American Psychiatric Association. They are biologically-based, not due to some beauty or fashion ideal. Only 50% of anorexic women can be cured, and 20% of them will die from complications of the illness.

Obviously, a coach cannot prevent a female with the illness to stop running completely, but a coach can certainly disallow ED runners on their teams, and thus not act as "enablers" for these women to rationalize their unhealthy behavior by putting it in the context of being a positive contribution to the team.


Nice blanket statement from a problem (disordered eating) that can be caused by antyhing from manic depression to being mildly OC and losing the big picture. Its like saying all cancers are the same. It is also quite a stretch to say 20% die from complications due to the disease. Love to see where you got that and what the definition of "anorexia" or "eating disorder" that was used. You might get that % if you used full blown cases that required hospitalization but if using a broader definition for disordered eating, that step happens in only a small percentage of the cases.

Which obviously begs the question, how does a coach decide when an athlete is ED and to bar them from the team? Is it the girl who misses meals in a misguided attempt to lose that 5lbs that will make her better? How about the girl who was sexually abused when she was younger, and that experience manifests itself as depressive epidsodes and splurge/purge behaviour. Two cases where one the coach can help out on and one where professional help is needed.

It is never that simple.
Vanessa
RE: Caitlin Chock 6/18/2008 1:20PM - in reply to BS Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
You will find everything I have written supported here:
http://www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/

Depression and OC can factor into the condition, but those are also biological in origin.

And I agree, ED is never simple.
uh_no
RE: Caitlin Chock 6/18/2008 2:01PM - in reply to wonderwall Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
wonderwall is the most idiotic song on rockband....we'd be playing and some girl would walk in "ooohhh play wonderwall play wonderwall" NO I WILL NOT PLAY WONDERWALL FOR YOU
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