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Just finished a lap by lab (splits and all) full race highlight video of the 5000.
http://www.runnerspace.com/eprofile.php?do=videos&pg=1&event_id=63&video_id=2509
We also popped out an Arcadia Highlight video.
http://www.runnerspace.com/eprofile.php?do=videos&pg=1&event_id=63&video_id=2510
Still busy uploading the 150+ videos we got from the meet...
you idiots wrote:
Why are people making the same mistake and counting him out? He has proven he belongs on the national stage, I hope?
Yes, he has proved he belongs on the national stage, but to many people I don't think he has definitively proved he is in the Derrick-Fernandez-Puskedra category.
He was a darkhorse at FL. Sure, he had his supporters in Indiana, but nationally he was not a consensus favorite. When a darkhorse wins, you never know what to think - is he the real deal, or was it a fluke? You have to wait for what he does next to answer that question. But Fouts hasn't stepped onto the track yet, so the question remains.
Derrick, Fernandez, and Puskedra have already dropped amazing track times that have validated their hype. Fouts has not.
garbage in garbage out wrote:
you idiots wrote:Why are people making the same mistake and counting him out? He has proven he belongs on the national stage, I hope?
Yes, he has proved he belongs on the national stage, but to many people I don't think he has definitively proved he is in the Derrick-Fernandez-Puskedra category.
He was a darkhorse at FL. Sure, he had his supporters in Indiana, but nationally he was not a consensus favorite. When a darkhorse wins, you never know what to think - is he the real deal, or was it a fluke? You have to wait for what he does next to answer that question. But Fouts hasn't stepped onto the track yet, so the question remains.
Derrick, Fernandez, and Puskedra have already dropped amazing track times that have validated their hype. Fouts has not.
Running away with the win at FL gives him the credentials to be in the same group. He beat them all at that one race that essentially all of the top guys run (unlike track, which has multiple distances and meets). NTN has confused things a bit for the guys that run that as well but he still has the biggest prize on the year (and he beat Derrick twice in a row). I am not a HS-guy, so I am not a close observer, but I also have no ego/favorites to color my slightly-less-informed opinion.
The thing, though, is that Derrick had run a lot more races before footlocker, including setting a remarkable course record at his state meeet and winning the individual NTN team title leading his team to the NTN title... which he repeatedly mentioned meant more to him than the individual race at FL.
Nobody is saying that Fout didn't deserve the FL title - he did - but he has run nothing that can reasonably put him at the level of Derrick.
In other words, while Derrick will never be able to say he is a FL champ, and no one is making excuses for that, he has more than distanced himself from anyone running this year by running the
---best 5k ever by a highschooler in an all-hs race and the #6 all time 5k by a highschooler---
Listen I am a big fan of Fout I am an Indiana resident and think Micheal has an astonishing amount of talent. But lets be realistic here, Chris Derrick just ran 13:55 with a final 3200 of 8:49 and a last lap of 60. The track is a far cry from the cross country course and as a result requires different skills one of which includes leg speed, which Derrick obviously showed he has. I believe Micheal will break the Indiana State record and move ahead of legend Rudy Chapa but will NOT beat Chris Derrick at NON baring and injury from Chris which would inhibit his performance. The flat out truth is we witnessed history this weekend. And Chris is on Another level.
Fout is legit for sure. It's not like it was a tactical Footlocker win in 15:20+, he won in 14:4x comfortably with a large lead after a 4:27ish first mile where he was up near the lead. So props to him. But Derrick just proved that he belongs up there with the best high school distance runners EVER, at least in terms of time.
Actually Derrick has admitted himself to lacking in the footspeed department... 2x 4:18 Miles will be no simple feet. 13:55 5k is what, 4:28 1600 Pace? I'd say he falls somewhere around 8:42 for 2 Miles as of right now--- which is still pretty impressive.
I think Colby & Puskedra may have the best footspeed, possibly German might be about the same as them though I'm not to sure about his. I know Colby split a 1:53 800 already, not sure about the rest-- though Puskedra did beat Colby in the first major race of the season in the mile by I believe less than 1 second.
Regardless, I think this year will definetely see 4 guys under 8:46, Fernandez, Derrick, Puskedra, and Lowe, if they don't get injured. I can see some others as well, like Fout, but I can't say because he was off on an injury. Losing all that time of running is definetely not a good thing in terms of fitness.
jabronii wrote:
Actually Derrick has admitted himself to lacking in the footspeed department...
Uhh... did you happen to catch the last lap/two lap split in his 13:55?
Maybe he meant for 4x100....
Screaming Eagle wrote:Chris Derrick just ran . . . a final 3200 of 8:49
Dazzling performance.
It's hard to believe that Ritz ran that fast for a full 5000 (and Rupp ran 4:23 pace for 5000). Should be interesting to if any of these guys in the pipeline can rise to that level by the end of summer.
runnerspace you are a fag
think fast wrote:
jabronii wrote:Actually Derrick has admitted himself to lacking in the footspeed department...
Uhh... did you happen to catch the last lap/two lap split in his 13:55?
Maybe he meant for 4x100....
Derrick has a 400 pr of 57.8 (split no less) and did not break 2:00 until indoors this year (running a 1:58). While his 400 pr is out of date and could probably be lowered the 1:58 is not and was run fresh, all-out, and chasing.
The finishing kick is about strength not speed.
60 seconds is plenty of "legspeed" for an 8:3x two mile, when taken in the context of his race Saturday.
We both agree on the strength=speed for distance, I just find the concept of "legspeed" irrelevant in this context. Most top HS milers have trouble closing in 60, much less a crowded 5000.
You can have "no footspeed" and close in 2:02-2:05 and 59 for 5000's.
Several guys who couldn't break 26 for a 200 have done it, myself included in high school races, but 14:20-30 pace, not a 13:55. That's not speed that is toughness and strength,
I would consider any high schooler at that level without real footspeed if they can't break 53 for a 400 or 26 for a 200.
What it does show is the kid has a lot of balls closing in 2:05 in his first 5000 that far ahead, although I agree that the lapped runners might have actually helped keep his mind alert and gave him something to keep shooting for.
I openly predicted on dyestat.com weeks before Aracadia that Derrick would break 14:00 in the 5K, and he did. I also said that he would break the national two mile record this year, and I still believe he will. I believe that his next 3200 is on May 8th. I'm expecting him to hit close to 8:40. I would not be surprised to see him break 8:40 before the state meet (keep in mind that he's planning to double at State to help NV when the team championship, so breaking 8:40 at State might prove more of a challenge). Then with Puskedra pushing him at NON, I see him breaking 8:36.
p.s. It would be fun (but not likely) to see him do another 5K before the end of the season. He's only 5 seconds off the Olympic Trials B qualifying standard :)
Maybe they'll make it a full 2 miles for him? If he's goin for it I mean.
I'm really not splitting hairs between the 3200M and full 2M... Suffice to say that Derrick has IL state and national record-breaking capability. Put in him some races this summer against college and pro runners and I think he's challenge anything Ritz or Rupp did.