True Lies: Cyclist Tammy Thomas convicted of perjury in BALCO trial

She's gonna do time... Is Barry next?

convicted perjurers may find it difficult to get admitted to the bar.

she might want to reconsider if it is worth staying in law school.

i knew a guy who had trouble getting admitted to bar on "character and fitness" grounds since he had too many traffic tickets. i cant imagine my state would admit a person convicted of perjury, at least not until a good amount of time has passed.

sam w wrote:

i cant imagine my state would admit a person convicted of perjury, at least not until a good amount of time has passed.

Nah, she's pretty much screwed in any State.

Any felony conviction will make it tough, but perjury really strikes at the heart of the judicial system. C&F won't give her a break, particularly because this was not some "youthful indiscretion."

From the little I've seen about the case, she certainly has reasonable grounds to bring an appeal, but is unlikely to be successful.

wow, so marion jones and tammy thomas, that should deter all those young males out there in football, baseball, bodybuilding, wrestling, etc.

is it more of a crime for women to do steroids than men? or is it just the non-revenue sports that don't have enough suits to influence the investigation. bonds, giambi, and clemens probably find it all very amusing.

terps wrote:

wow, so marion jones and tammy thomas, that should deter all those young males out there in football, baseball, bodybuilding, wrestling, etc.

is it more of a crime for women to do steroids than men? or is it just the non-revenue sports that don't have enough suits to influence the investigation. bonds, giambi, and clemens probably find it all very amusing.

Considering Bonds has been indicted and Clemens may not be far behind, I suspect neither one of those find it very "amusing."

Those "suits" have not done a good job in protecting Bonds, or his reputation.

I dont really get it though. I understand why there would be a crackdown on athletes partcipating in international competition, especially Olympians, because they represent US athletics and everything.

But I dont understand the pattern behind steroid investigations. They are targetting cyclists, runners, and baseball players. Meanwhile, football players and bodybuilders are like obscenely huge, pretty much a dead giveaway that they are using drugs. Yet, no one investigates that at all. I feel like either you crackdown on steroids entirely, or you go after everyone the same. You dont send Marion Jones to prison, while football stars are off earning millions no questions asked. Thats hypocritical.

Split wrote:

I dont really get it though. I understand why there would be a crackdown on athletes partcipating in international competition, especially Olympians, because they represent US athletics and everything.

But I dont understand the pattern behind steroid investigations. They are targetting cyclists, runners, and baseball players. Meanwhile, football players and bodybuilders are like obscenely huge, pretty much a dead giveaway that they are using drugs. Yet, no one investigates that at all. I feel like either you crackdown on steroids entirely, or you go after everyone the same. You dont send Marion Jones to prison, while football stars are off earning millions no questions asked. Thats hypocritical.

You are free to present all your evidence against individuals in those (or any other sport) to the authorities. The BALCO files gave names, dates, dosages, etc. They were not penalized for using steroids, but for lying to investigators.

Split wrote:

I dont really get it though. ...

But I dont understand the pattern behind steroid investigations. They are targetting cyclists, runners, and baseball players. Meanwhile, football players and bodybuilders are like obscenely huge, pretty much a dead giveaway that they are using drugs. Yet, no one investigates that at all. I feel like either you crackdown on steroids entirely, or you go after everyone the same. You dont send Marion Jones to prison, while football stars are off earning millions no questions asked. Thats hypocritical.

Keep in mind, Marion went to jail for lying about her use. Bonds, if he is convicted, will go to jail for lying to a grand jury. Clemens will get convicted for lying as well.

Remember Martha Stewert, she did not go to prison for insider trading - she went for lying to the investigators.

This will work its way to football. It is just a matter of time.

Okay, that makes sense. Is there anything they can do to Bonds or Clemens if they do admit to using steroids? Or is it really just a matter of stubborness/pride?

Split wrote:

Okay, that makes sense. Is there anything they can do to Bonds or Clemens if they do admit to using steroids? Or is it really just a matter of stubborness/pride?

I read the grand jury testimony of Clemens. You can find it on the net. As I recall, he was offered given immunity, or at least given "use immunity" meaning anything he said could not be used against him. He chose to lie anyway.

I think this is a stubbornness/pride issue. Hubris will bring them down. As it is written in Proverbs: "Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall."

It's like saying, did you have cheerios for breakfast.

You say, no, I think I had rice krispies.

They find cheerios in your cabinet and send you to prison.

It's just a racket to take away people's privacy, and send more people to prison.

What the answer should be is FO none of your business what I did, or perhaps, I don't have the specific information to be able to answer that question at this time.

another government racket wrote:

It's like saying, did you have cheerios for breakfast.

You say, no, I think I had rice krispies.

They find cheerios in your cabinet and send you to prison.

It's just a racket to take away people's privacy, and send more people to prison.

What the answer should be is FO none of your business what I did, or perhaps, I don't have the specific information to be able to answer that question at this time.

please remove your head from your ass.

another government racket wrote:

It's like saying, did you have cheerios for breakfast.

You say, no, I think I had rice krispies.

They find cheerios in your cabinet and send you to prison.

It's just a racket to take away people's privacy, and send more people to prison.

What the answer should be is FO none of your business what I did, or perhaps, I don't have the specific information to be able to answer that question at this time.

Yes, it's just like that... only if you knew damn well that the cheerios you were eating were 1) illegal, 2) against the rules of your employer, and 3) giving you an unfair advantage at your job and thus screwing other employees out of opportunities that you cheated to get. Yes, this is just like confusing your breakfast cereal.

i'm more of a golden graham's man, myself.