Anybody had PERSONAL experience with (non-ephedra) Hydroxycut HC or Tonalin CLA?

Never heard of them. Sorry.

Yeah, didn't think there'd be too many on this board--worth a shot, though.

i tried hydroxycut a in high school before i began running seriously. i wanted to shed some lbs. and wasnt all that into running distance. i did not see results and it also gave me some narly stomach pain and i felt like shit. i suggest you adjust your diet, hit the weights for your metab, AND RUN MORE.

HTFU

Thanks, u.t.b.c. Was that the ephedra Hydroxycut or the current stuff? (Not sure what "hydroxycut a" is...)

Unfortunately my family/work situation means that lifting, for now, is out. (I've used it successfully before, when losing weight.) And I have a permanent injury that means I can't run at all, which is part of the problem.

But still, thanks! Appreciate the input.

eat nothing but chicken, fish, salads and vegetables for your 2 meals a day, (a protein shake for breakfast) and you will lose 20 lbs in a couple of months.

The ephedrine/caffeine/aspirin stack is money. 25mg of ephedrine, 200mg of caffeine, and 325mg of aspirin every morning for a month. I went from living in London and eating Mcdonald's every day (all i could afford), to back home in the U.S. and had about 20 extra pounds on me. ECA is a much better option than any store bought shit out there, trust me. Cheaper too.

I took this stack along with having two whey protein shakes a day and a creatine complex (celltech, i think) with some simple carbs before workouts and went from 180 to 155. I ran around 40 miles a week and lifted every other day and got super ripped quickly. Think Brad Pitt in Fight Club. Yeah, I was really suprised I transformed that fast.

It works if you're serious about your diet (honestly, i ate nothing else at all most days), and you workout consistently. Oh yeah, dnevitamins.com for the ephedrine. Decent prices, good quality. I noticed the limp dick too; its a common side effect of ephedrine. If you want to be real crazy, alternate days using ephedrine and yohimbine. You can do a longer stack that way and preserve receptor sensitivity since e and y cause lipolysis through different pathways. Any other questions, just ask.

Ahh I missed the part that you can't run or lift. That makes things tough. You need to be gaining muscle while you lose fat as the extra muscle burns more calories and eventually eliminates the need for thermogenics. Swim and do pushups and situps if possible. On my days off of lifting I got myself up to doing 1000 pushups a day. I could only do like 50 to start. Anyway do sets of 20 until exhaustion and you should quickly improve with the help of the protein and epherine. It doesn't take too long. I'd do it while watching tv or something a couple times a day and it really adds up. And you'll need some sort of cardio to actually burn calories. These supplements help, but in the end you need to do the work. If its impossible to do right now, I'd say save the process for later. Running ephedrine a lot really desensitizes lipid receptors and makes it harder to burn in general. Use it only when you can really bear down and get everything out of it.

what part or what good would taking aspirin do?

Thanks, eca stack. Of course, an ECA stack was exactly what the old Hydroxycut was. Strangely, I had no problem (that I recall) with impotence when I was using the ECA Hydroxycut--just with Hot Rox (which, for all I know, had a lot of the same ingredients).

I'll see about dnevitamins.com. Serious question: Do you know whether ordering the stuff interstate is illegal? Not a question of whether a person can get away with it, but just what the law is?

Anyway, lots of good tips, and much appreciated.

go run more.

weightloss drugs are not good choices.

you guys are pretty messed up if you treat "limp dick" from your weight loss drugs as just another side effect. what good is looking like tyler durden if you can't even get a boner?

Sorry for the late response. Been away a few days. It is legal to order the ephedrine as it is combined with guaifenesin and is considered an asthma medication. Some states with meth problems (Ohio, other midwest states) may give you a hassle. In New York its legal, though, and thats all I can really say for sure.

As for the question about the efficacy of aspirin, it is somewhat confusing unless you have a wide knowledge of molecular biology. Aspirin inhibits the enzyme cyclooxygenase, which prodeuces prostaglandins. Prostaglandins do many things, and a couple of things they do interfere with weight loss. They can decrease cAMP in target cells and lower concentrations of norepinephrine, both of which are important in fat reduction. The E and the C are doing the real work, aspirin just provides a bit of a synergistic effect.

And about the limp dick, it only lasts while you take the ephedrine, so maybe a month. You're left looking like Tyler Durden after that and all is good ;).

have you ever run 100mpw for more than one week? I'll show you limp side effects.

Bump for anybody who has had first hand experience with ephedrine for fat loss while running mileage

Bump...looking for anyone who ran while using an ECA stack.