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Libertarian
Legality of Prostitution 3/13/2008 9:08PM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Why is prostitution illegal anyway? Two adults having sex is perfectly fine. But, throw some money in there, still two consenting adults by the way, and you can actually go to jail for it...

Most of the negative stereotypes surrounding prostitution (streetwalkers, john's beating the hell out of them, violence) is a result of the blackmarket that is a consequence of prostitution being illegal.

Take a look at where prostitution is legal, or where it is run professionally - brothels in Las Vegas, the place where Spitzer went...it's a business, and it's safer for everybody. For example, they get tested once a week for STDs/AIDs at the places in Vegas, and the testing is mandatory. Yet, the new-age Moral Majority just won't have it. Here they go again, running our lives... The funny thing is, you wouldn't see any more prostitutes on the street if it were legal, which would be even better for those who don't agree with it!
Lawman
RE: Legality of Prostitution 3/13/2008 9:12PM - in reply to Libertarian Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Libertarian wrote:

Take a look at where prostitution is legal, or where it is run professionally - brothels in Las Vegas,!


Prostitution isn't legal in Las Vegas idiot.
wondering...
RE: Legality of Prostitution 3/13/2008 9:16PM - in reply to Lawman Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Lawman wrote:

[quote]Libertarian wrote:

Take a look at where prostitution is legal, or where it is run professionally - brothels in Las Vegas,!


Prostitution isn't legal in Las Vegas idiot.[/quote]

He never said it was idiot. He said "where it is legal"

OR

Where it is run professionally (Vegas)

Get your facts straight before bashing other people.
Agreed
RE: Legality of Prostitution 3/13/2008 9:19PM - in reply to wondering... Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
hondo
RE: Legality of Prostitution 3/13/2008 9:23PM - in reply to wondering... Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
but prostitution is or recently was legal in some county just outside of vegas, right?

I see no reason not to legalize it, given that you can tax and regulate it, and save a lot of money on law enforcement while also making the conditions safer for the workers, the customers, all of society (that is, check for STD's regularly), and maybe you can crack down on the underage and forced in the business. You'll find feminists arguing that prostitution is inherently bad for women in general, but legalization would ameliorate the bad conditions, while making it a crime does not exactly eliminate it (check out the village voice ads or flip through the many escort service pages in the nyc yellow pages to see how much of it is essentially transparent).
booyaa
RE: Legality of Prostitution 3/13/2008 9:29PM - in reply to hondo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Also, isn't it strange that you can pay someone to have sex in front of a camera like the bazillion amateur porn websites out there, but once the camera is off....it is now prostitution?
Lawman
RE: Legality of Prostitution 3/13/2008 9:39PM - in reply to wondering... Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

wondering... wrote:

Get your facts straight before bashing other people.


You're a nitwit too. Brothels are "run professionally" in every big city in America. That doesn't give them a seal of approval.

The closest legal brother to Vegas is 63 miles away.

http://tinyurl.com/35tsqs
Libertarian
RE: Legality of Prostitution 3/13/2008 10:21PM - in reply to Lawman Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Lawman wrote:

[quote]wondering... wrote:

Get your facts straight before bashing other people.


You're a nitwit too. Brothels are "run professionally" in every big city in America. That doesn't give them a seal of approval.

The closest legal brother to Vegas is 63 miles away.

http://tinyurl.com/35tsqs[/quote]

I didnt mean Vegas, I meant places in Nevada...either way, do you disagree or what?
hello out there
RE: Legality of Prostitution 3/14/2008 5:05AM - in reply to booyaa Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

booyaa wrote:

Also, isn't it strange that you can pay someone to have sex in front of a camera like the bazillion amateur porn websites out there, but once the camera is off....it is now prostitution?

Shhh...never bring this up again, I don't want people to realize this. That's my plan for how to bang hot 19 year olds when I'm 45. Just buy a camera, set up a website, don't show myself from the neck up, and voila, I'm nailing a new hot girl every week.
luv2run
RE: Legality of Prostitution 3/14/2008 5:52AM - in reply to Libertarian Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I agree with you. However, even then there would be a black market, it would be very marginalized but it would exist. We have a black market for many things that are legal.

It is funny that a man can take a woman on a date, buy dinner some sort of entertainment and then have sex, but if he were just to pass over the money spent on that it becomes illegal.

However, I am glad to see Spitzer gone. His tactics were slimy. Read the WSJ online for a long list of his activities and scumbag antics. There is poetic justice. Now I hope he does some jail time.
the former mobile9
RE: Legality of Prostitution 3/14/2008 6:00AM - in reply to booyaa Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
This was one of the challenges brought forth by those opposed to porn who equated it as a form of prostitution. But the successful counter arguement pointed out that boxing is essentially assault and battery but because cameras are there for an entertainment value, it becomes something other than simple assault.
Mtn Dew
RE: Legality of Prostitution 3/14/2008 7:14AM - in reply to the former mobile9 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

the former mobile9 wrote:

This was one of the challenges brought forth by those opposed to porn who equated it as a form of prostitution. But the successful counter arguement pointed out that boxing is essentially assault and battery but because cameras are there for an entertainment value, it becomes something other than simple assault.


Doesn't one have to press charges for assault and battery?

Either way, there's no legitimate reason to outlaw prostitution.
John number 9
RE: Legality of Prostitution 3/14/2008 10:25AM - in reply to luv2run Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

luv2run wrote:
However, I am glad to see Spitzer gone. His tactics were slimy. Read the WSJ online for a long list of his activities and scumbag antics. There is poetic justice. Now I hope he does some jail time.


I did read WSJ online.

Eliot the 'Enforcer'
By JOHN FUND
March 12, 2008; Page A21

As the political career of Eliot Spitzer melts down, many will lament that what the governor on Monday called his "progressive politics" fell victim to his personal foibles. If only he hadn't made mistakes in his private life, they will moan, New York could have been redeemed from its squalid, special-interest dominated stagnation.

That's nonsense. More is at issue here than a mere private mistake. The governor's frequent use of a prostitution ring was of public concern -- because, notes Henry Stern, head of the watchdog group New York Civic, "people could easily have blackmailed him, you can't have that if you're governor."
[Eliot Spitzer]

True enough, New York's dysfunctional and secretive state government desperately needs fumigation, with both political parties sharing in the blame. But Mr. Spitzer's head-butting approach to redemption -- involving the arbitrary use of power and bully-boy tactics -- was no improvement. As for reform, his first budget grew state spending at three times the rate of inflation, and is a major reason the state now faces a $4.5 billion deficit. When the governor tried to reform the state's bloated Medicaid program, the health-care workers' union ran a TV campaign against him, and he quickly caved.

Mr. Spitzer seemed to excel only in the zeal with which he would go after perceived adversaries. Last summer, his staff infamously used the state police to track the movements of Joe Bruno, the Republican president of the state senate, in an effort to destroy his career. Mr. Spitzer then ferociously fought investigators who wanted to examine his office's email traffic for evidence the governor himself may have been involved. His approval rating in New York, a strongly Democratic state, fell to 27%.

Despite that wakeup call, months after the Bruno incident Mr. Spitzer called up a close ally of New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg. This source told me that the governor asked him to deliver what the ally considered a threatening and insulting message to the mayor. The Bloomberg confidant, who like many sources commenting on Mr. Spitzer refused to be named, advised the governor to reconsider if that was the message he really wanted to send, but the governor insisted.

No doubt more examples of Mr. Spitzer's dubious behavior will now find their way into the media. But his career as a prosecutor provided plenty of warning signs he was destined for trouble, and each of his political campaigns featured clear attempts to circumvent campaign-finance laws. For example, in 1998 Mr. Spitzer admitted to the New York Times that he had skirted state election laws by failing to disclose a last-minute infusion of cash into his 1994 campaign for attorney general from his wealthy father.

Such chicanery wasn't an auspicious launching pad for his own investigations of corporate misbehavior. He certainly did expose some malfeasance and shady dealing. But historian Fred Siegel notes that he quickly moved on to "less and less substantial" and appropriate targets in search of headlines. And he used New York's Martin Act, a uniquely harsh law allowing prosecutors to declare almost anything a "fraud," and no requirement on their part to prove criminal intent, to trample the due-process rights of anyone blocking his path to the TV cameras.

Companies almost always agreed to Mr. Spitzer's demands that they pay stiff fines and change the way they operated -- all without any trials or judicial determinations that they had done anything wrong. "It became a kind of blackmail," Mr. Siegel says, "in which he said to companies, if you don't put my friends in high positions in your company I'll drag you through the mud."

"He was the investigator, the prosecutor, the judge, the jury and the executioner," says Thomas Donahue, president of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. He notes that Mr. Spitzer would frequently settle with corporate higher-ups, who were wealthy enough to pay millions in fines, and then go after their lower-level employees. Those individuals were often found not guilty at trial -- but these courtroom defeats, as Mr. Spitzer learned from the experience of that other hyperactive prosecutor, Rudy Giuliani, would generate few headlines.

Mr. Spitzer cloaked his naked devaluation of the rule of law with gauzy rhetoric that was perfectly pitched to make many liberals ignore his strong-arm tactics. He harshly criticized advocates of judicial restraint such as Antonin Scalia as believing in "a dead piece of paper." In a Law Day ceremony, Mr. Spitzer was blunt: "I believe in an evolving Constitution. . . . A flexible Constitution allows us to consider not merely how the world was, but how it ought to be."

He was vague as to just what his Brave New World would look like. "One of the things that I enjoy about going to Washington is the opportunity of testifying, chapter after chapter, that self-regulation has failed," he said to reporters, adding, "What is it to be replaced with? I'm not sure."

Still, he was pretty sure of his blowtorch tactics. In 2005, Mr. Spitzer revealingly told TV host Stephen Colbert in all seriousness that as a kid he was the "enforcer" on his soccer team, the guy who "took people out."

An enduring lesson of the Spitzer meltdown should be that crusaders of all types who operate outside the rule books themselves merit a gimlet eye of scrutiny. An enduringly popular symbol in our culture is the man on the white horse who comes to clean up the town and purge it of its errant ways. But in the harsh reality of politics, for every selfless Lone Ranger who arrives on his trusty steed and does good, there are many more budding Napoleons who harshly impose their will -- and fall prey to vices they pledged to root out.
Libertarian
RE: Legality of Prostitution 3/14/2008 11:10AM - in reply to John number 9 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Okay, so the consensus seems (rightfully) to be that prostitution should be legal, and that there are no good reasons that it is illegal.

I'm sure we're not the only ones who think this why...so why hasn't anything changed? What are the upcoming candidates views on this subject?

And is there anybody out there that disagrees? I'm interested to hear what your reasons are.
do it
RE: Legality of Prostitution 3/14/2008 11:13AM - in reply to Libertarian Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The majority of the country would still consider it immoral.
Yep
RE: Legality of Prostitution 3/14/2008 11:28AM - in reply to Libertarian Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
It IS legal, for politicians that is. It's an unwritten law that if your a politician you can bang whoever you want any way you want and get away with it. The laws only apply to the rest of us. Haven't you all figured that out yet?
here
RE: Legality of Prostitution 3/14/2008 11:35AM - in reply to Yep Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Prostitution is legal in Rhode Island as long as it is indoors, and does not advertise. There are a few other stipulations but this is true.
Libertarian
RE: Legality of Prostitution 3/14/2008 11:36AM - in reply to do it Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

do it wrote:

The majority of the country would still consider it immoral.


Yes, that is probably true. Most would consider it immoral (even though there are those who speak out against it, but act differently, if you know what I mean).

Yet, here's the million dollar question: SINCE WHEN DO WE LEGISLATE MORALITY? I know that we do, but WHY?? I have different morals than you, you have different morals than the next person....it's insanity to make a law against something you consider "immoral." That has absolutely no basis in the Constitution and it's so sad that people believe that's the way things have to be.

And I'm not trying to thump for Ron Paul here, as he's a goner, but watch this video...He disagrees personally, yet he supports people's right to choose for themselves what they do with their lives - simply amazing folks.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/story?id=3970423
Vice squad
RE: Legality of Prostitution 3/14/2008 11:40AM - in reply to here Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

here wrote:

Prostitution is legal in Rhode Island as long as it is indoors, and does not advertise. There are a few other stipulations but this is true.


You misunderstand the Rhode Island law. Prostitution is legal in Rhode Island as long as there is no solicitation or organized brothel involved.
luv2run
RE: Legality of Prostitution 3/14/2008 12:36PM - in reply to Vice squad Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Vice squad wrote:

[quote]here wrote:

Prostitution is legal in Rhode Island as long as it is indoors, and does not advertise. There are a few other stipulations but this is true.


You misunderstand the Rhode Island law. Prostitution is legal in Rhode Island as long as there is no solicitation or organized brothel involved.[/quote]

So just how does that work? If a single woman is in a home and a fellow happens to the door and says "I'll give you $500 for X, Y and Z". then is it okay?
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