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| Radical Ron |
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Hey Eddy, The best thing I've done since getting back into decent shape is getting hooked up with an awesome track club here in KC. For example: On 4/14/09 - I did a solo 8x400m - 1 min rest (70.77, 69.74, 70.43, 70.56, 71.73) 3 min rest (69.50, 72.00, 72.15) Then yesterday I did an 8x400m with some club guys: (2min rest) 67.81, 67.65, 66.78, 66.85, 67.40, 67.13 – (3min rest) 67.21, 66.29 The second thing is finding that there's a belief mechanism involved. You've got to believe. It's amazing how much the brain remembers what it's like to race after 16+ years of doing virtually no running. Since I've raced at the level of sub-4 before, I'm finding the barriers to be more physiological, rather than psychological. Although I'm 37, I feel like I still have the ability of a 20-21 year old to tear it up. Age, to me at this point is not a factor. I'm intrigued by your analysis in that you're zeroing in on the last 600m. You're saying that once you past the back straight... you're gunning for the finish. I like this. It helps put it into perspective. Racing on Friday... the 1500m... then Sunday the 4 mile Trolley run. I'll post workouts and results later. Bottom line... you're figuring it out. You've got the talent and ability to bust 4. It's simply a question of belief. 4:01 is demonstrable to me. Enjoy your youth. Best Regards, Ron |
| boingo |
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eddy & co - looking forward to seeing how everyone does this weekend. had some fairly monstrous workouts recently, especially if i put in a fudge factor for the weather. workout 1 - 4 x (500, 300j, 300, 200j, 200) with a 500j in between sets. 1:26, 49, 32, 1:25, 48, 32, 1:24, 47, 32, 1:23, 47, 30 workout 2 - 8 x 300, 3 mins rest descending pace 50, 50, 47, 47, 44, 44, 41, 41 workout 3 - 3 sets of 3x400, 90 rest, 3-4 between. 1st & 3rd at 1500 rp, 2nd at 3k 65, 65, 64, 69, 67, 68, 64, 63, 62 workout 4 - 3x200, 3x200, 500 - 40 seconds between 200's, 5min between sets 29, 29, 28, 28, 28, 28, 1:13 racing the 15 this weekend, we'll see what happens! |
| eddylee |
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Damn Boingo, those are some nice workouts! Sub4!!!! I'm assuming that is your goal. What are your racing plans? |
| boingo |
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as in, for the season as a whole? brown 1500m tomorrow. icahn 1500m in two weeks (i think it's then). the three boston high performance meets (may 23rd, june 6th, june 13th). usatf-ne june 20th, and maybe club nationals july 11th. there are probably other races i can jump in if i need more in between. i will probably attempt a fresh 800 and a fresh 5k at one of them. my racing plans for tomorrow are: go out at 2:07 and don't die. :) |
| hoodiaboots |
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Alright, it's about that time of the week again...I want the results for Eddy Lee's latest race. Note, I did not ask anyone else for their race results or workouts. I don't want to hear a peep out of any of you other jokers. |
| Radical Ron |
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Eddy! Give us the play-by-play on that 4:04 - You're dancing all over it! Men 1500 Meter Run ================================================================ Name Year School Finals ================================================================ Section 1 1 Matan Myers Unattached 4:02.22 2 John Carley USC 4:02.64 3 Josh McCarty CS Fullerton 4:04.48 4 Eddie Lee CS Bakersfield 4:04.71 5 Jose Orozco CS Bakersfield 4:05.07 6 Jeff Mackay CS Fullerton 4:08.15 7 Nelson Lopez Unattached 4:09.34 8 Jared Herkey USC 4:15.32 9 Dniel Garcia Unattached 4:17.18 10 Tony Martinez USC 4:18.60 11 greg woodburn USC 4:19.03 12 Nyron Bernard Unattached 4:22.73 13 Vijay Tidwell Cal State LA 4:24.70 14 Cesar Arevalos Cal State LA 4:26.45 15 Bert Whitswon Track Club LA 4:27.68 16 Rafer Weaver Unattached 4:32.51 17 Jaime Bravo Unattached 4:35.78 18 Edgar Walton Cal State LA 4:48.47 |
| Solo Joe |
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Ron, what KC track club are you working out with? Smoke? |
| BEER STEAK |
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Wow, that is practically my entire schedule the rest of the way as well. I'm running the 5k tomorrow at Brown though. But after that, yeah, 1500's and 800's at NYC, BHPS, and Club Nats. |
| insight |
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epic... it's gonna happen though ;) |
| eddylee |
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I don't know where to start, though hopefully I won't sound like I'm making any excuses. I am actually really happy with the way I ran. At the start of the race, I got pushed to the outside. I was running in lane 3 around the first turn...oops. Every time I tried to move in, I would get elbowed...good play by those who did that to me. 300 meters in the race, again around a turn, I got pushed to the outside. This time I was running in lane 2. I'm not very agressive as you might see. 65 first 400. Wind is kickin my ass. I finally tuck in because the field is stringing out a little. A guy from USC and my teammate make a move and open a 10+ meter gap on the field. There is a small 2 person pack behind them. I maintain my composure and hang with the 3rd pack. 800 split: 213!!! hahaha 68 lap :( I was like well it looks like I'm going to have to do some work if I want to break even 408. The pack that I am hanging with starts to pick up around the turn(600meters to go). I go with them, and one guy from Fullerton rolles with us as well. Pack now includes 6 people(includes me). 1200: 318...65 lap...getting better let me back it up...my 1100 split was 302... At 300 meters left in the race, I'm sitting in 10th. I make a strong move around the pack with 250 to go and kick as hard as I fricking can. I passed my teammate with 50meters to go and some other guy from Fullerton. I closed the last 300meters with a 46...best of the year so far. (62 last 400meters) I may have waited too long to make a move, but I'm not upset with how I raced it. I sat back, let the others do the work and finished hard. ===================================== Section 2 1 Eddie Lee CS Bakersfield 1:59.42 2 Josh McCarty CS Fullerton 2:00.99 3 Alex Soria CS Fullerton 2:02.93 4 Jose Orozco CS Bakersfield 2:03.92 5 jose Gomez Unattached 2:05.13 6 Andrew Hernandez Unattached 2:07.63 7 Cesar Arevalos Cal State LA 2:09.24 8 Jaime Bravo Unattached 2:12.48 WOOOOOOOOOOO broke 2... I've hit 2:00xx 6times in 3 yrs... I'm just thrilled to finally break it. Good luck to every1 this week. Boingo, you're totally fit and ready to break 4. Believe in your training and your ability. Same goes for you Beer Streak...best of luck in your 5k. Let us know how you did. :) |
| rubberduck |
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Running 1500m races every weekend isn't taking you to the promised land. |
| truth vomiter |
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Friend, I beg to differ with you. Eddy Lee is getting EXACTLY what he wants out of these races. Attention. |
| wrong |
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He's going to do it next week. |
| loving this thread |
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Eddy Monkey Humping Lee! I'm giving my favorite thread a bumpity bump because...well, because I can. |
| BEER STEAK |
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Haha, let's just say it wasn't a great day for distance running. The high in Providence yesterday was 88 degrees, and there's no place to hide from that on the track. Out of 13 guys in the 5000 and 18 in the 3000, there were two DNF's and not a single person ran their seed time. So let's just say it didn't all go according to plan. boingo, are you one of the New Balance guys in the 1500 results? |
| another canuck |
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Hey Eddy. Great job these past couple of weeks. You will get it soon.My experience always was that after p.r. you need a couple more races in the same vicinity and then you might improve again. Here's some food for thought- my guys are 8/15/3k guys all around 4:00. Last week a couple of them raced 3k in 8:45-50 and we did a 2k 6:00, 600m 1:27 and 300m 42 as a hard workout. This week we will do 1000m 2:40 , 300m45 plus set of 400-600-400 @64 pace. I think this is the stuff you are missing good luck |
| Birdlegs |
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To: Oingo Boingo I had to laugh when I read your race strategy of "go out in 2:07 and don't die". If I recall, you were the one who was giving similar advice to a HS girl, and critisized my racing strategy. Well, how did your idiotic race strategy work for you? I'm guessing that you died. Perhaps you should go back and read my advice and try it yourself. For the record, my mile PR is 4:10.8 and it was a negative split because I felt great the last lap, I wasn't dying like your stategy promotes. |
| boingo |
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beefsteak - yeah, i was one of the nb guys (the second one). not what i wanted, either - i am a terrible runner when it's hot and just straight up bitched out during the race. i didn't feel too badly when i finished which is always disappointing. 4:06, for the record. (62-67-67-48...maybe i should let someone else lead the first 400) i saw the guys flopping after finishing the five. it wasn't pretty. birdlegs - i think even-splitting is the way to go. one poor race won't convince me otherwise. and to even-split a race it's going to hurt during the 2nd / 3rd / 4th quarter in an escalating fashion. i just didn't do what i said i was going to do - to make it hurt like that. and i think it is easier to race a negative split but i also don't think you will get as good a performance. (my goal was to run 2:07 pace the entire way, not to positive split my way to a 3:58) i may give a negative split a shot the next time out, though. it's definitely mentally easier. but don't pat yourself on the back too hard - delivering decent advice while saying it like a pompous asshole still makes you an asshole, 4:10 mile or not. |
| Birdlegs |
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To: Oingo Boingo For the record, I am not a pompous asshole like you imply. Ever since you ripped me in the other thread, and then I merely defended myself, perhaps you are just taking offense to what I have to say. Seriously, go back and read my race strategy, and possibly try it. Back when I was racing I usually had pretty good luck with that race strategy, and bad luck if I went away from it. I didn't try to negative split, as even splits are better as you stated. It just so happens that my PR was a negative split. I don't think I would want to race you now, as you would surely win. After all, my PR was set 34 years ago in 1975. |
| boingo |
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birdlegs: two things, and hopefully we won't disagree on either. i don't want to belabor this, because you are actually offering some genuine advice, but do re-read your post to me on this thread for a moment. it sounds (to me) like you're hoping that i failed because that vindicates your strategy. and also tacking on your mile credentials has an air of "oh i ran fast so i know what works for everyone." if you had said: "boingo, i think you should seriously try negative splitting instead of running the race the way you describe, even if you disagreed with me earlier" (like you just did) instead of "I had to laugh when I read your race strategy of "go out in 2:07 and don't die." & "Well, how did your idiotic race strategy work for you? I'm guessing that you died." then i wouldn't assume you're being condescending and spiteful. and as soon as people start speaking / writing in that tone, i (and pretty much everyone) get annoyed and discount whatever they're actually saying. why should i bother with someone's ideas when they don't even take the time to respectfully address someone? you could probably say the same about how i replied to you in that other thread (which i can't find, thanks to the godawful search engine...). your post had something about relaxed breathing that just sounded really hokey and fake and i assumed you were intentionally giving bad advice like a bunch of other people. i didn't realize that it wasn't fake. (seriously - i don't usually just deride other people's posts like that - it just bugs me that people might come to this board genuinely looking for information and get hurt or not perform well because of people misleading them). so, my apologies about that. it's not often that people come to this thread with actual commentary rather than off-the-cuff-remarks. otherwise - i think also that different runners have better luck with different tactics during a race. i actually have a lot of luck negative-splitting 800's - usually do best even-splitting 1500 / mile - and have never done anything but a positive split during longer distances. i've tried going out harder in an 800 and i die because i'm not a 49.x 400m runner, and i've gone slower in the beginnings of 5k's and been unable to pick it up. the 1500m / mile i've had success at a number of ways, and the hump right now is more mental than physical - so hopefully going out in 2:08-2:10 via 65's will let me finish quickly and post a respectable time. (ps - if you still have a link to the relevant thread you mentioned, i'd be grateful) |
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