My goal of sub 4:00 1500-I will not stop until I reach my goal.

Back slap 1003 comes from little old me!

Great job everybody!

I have no idea what everyone's problem is on this site. Weldon has always been a good guy when I email him. I'm friendly with Division 1 runners, All-Conference types. My brother is a Division 1 runner. I know a few coaches at big time schools. My uncle is a national-class runner for his age. My good friend ran a 2:2x marathon in NY. I coach at a regionally and in the past nationally respected high school, and all because I don't run the same times as some of those people, you get on your high horse? Everyone here started somewhere. Guys who run 14:xx now didn't break 5 for a mile in 8th or 9th grade when they started. So I'm starting. Why would I do your training? Why would I copy any elite runner's training? Everyone who posts here outside of a few are a joke with your holier than thou attitude. I still tell myself that you are a rare few because I have had good interaction with most of the talented running community. It's disgusting that I even have to defend myself on here. Most high school guys start running and get down to 16:xx or 17:xx by senior year. I'm at 19:xx so it looks like I'm right on track. I don't care what your PRs are and whether it makes you credible to pick fun at me or anyone else on this board. Running is a community and if you take it seriously, you should be taken seriously. I'm not jogging, buying every water belt in sight and I'm not signing up for stupid marathons for my bucket list. I know the history of the sport and I know how to get better (I'm 24 and a late starter, what's the rush?) so you can go F* yourself pretty much.

Thanks.

Keep it up Eddylee. this thread is one of the few worth reading on here.

I'm sorry, there is something about seeing "6.5 long tempos in 7:43" that really gets my goat.

Sweeney Todd wrote:

I have no idea what everyone's problem is on this site.

Don't take it personal. That person who replied to your earlier post was most certainly a troll only slightly faster than you. You guys are just fun to make fun of. Don't let it get under your skin.

And you can still go F* yourself.

Let me know what kind of performance will stop giving you a chuckle and I'll get on it.

Sweeney Todd wrote:

And you can still go F* yourself.

Let me know what kind of performance will stop giving you a chuckle and I'll get on it.

Eddy Lee would NOT approve of this sort of profanity on his thread. Control yourself!

Hopefully a tempo pace starting with a 4 or a 5, anything above 6:00 is a bit pathetic. 7:43 is just a joke, so try and run faster, will ya? It's really not that hard.

I like the fire, Sweeney Todd. Keep at it. It took me about two years to drop from 20:30 to 16:04 in the 5k. It is complete bullshit for these punks to whinge constantly about one of the only track training threads on a fricking running website. All of us, including you, are faster than 98-99% of American runners. When I occasionally do a really slow recovery mile on the track here at 9 minute mile pace, I still pass tons of the COLLEGE STUDENTS on the track. So, what is the point of ridiculing a bunch of guys, almost all of whom are running between 4:20 and 4:40 miles and aspiring to better? As for eddy's goal, he tried last track season, ended his season early with injury and anemia, and is just starting outdoor. How is that a long time? He just ran another 4:33 sea level equivalent and went out too hard. Solo Joe and Boingo are both on the verge of running sub-4.

I ran my 14+ yesterday with another 5.25M cruise on the indoor track in 32:52 (about 6:15/M) and tonight in the course of 14.5 miles, I did a track workout almost all solo, in trainers. It was crappy, 3x880y in 2:28,2:31,2:36 (160m rest) and 6x400m in 71,71,72,71,69,70 (80m rest +, =1:30 rest) I've been sick for five days again and it really affected me on the half miles. I didn't have the wind and the legs had no spring. However, I should be healthy in a few days and will do some more mile pace work. When I do a crappy workout, I like to re-do it or replace it with something else later in the week to get it right. Any suggestions for a mile pace workout, Solo Joe? I'm racing in 11 days.

Good luck, Boingo.

jonesy. wrote:

It is complete horse hockey for these punks to whine constantly about one of the only track training threads on a mother hugging running website.

What are YOU whining about. You've got a thousand post thread pretty much all to yourself with no possibility of deletion. What makes this thread so precious that it's a sin for people to monkey around on it?

Oh, and clean up your language for crying out loud. This isn't the Navy.

Jonesy...

1. You adapt through rest, not through work. Why are you lifting EVERYDAY? Why are you zooming your easy days at 6:10 when you are "only" running 3:12-3:04 for 1ks?

2. Why are you doing 175 half-sits? Training for the Army PT test? Do planks for 2-3 minutes...that's a core workout.

3. Knees will still be weak from tendonitis because you are overstressing them with too much intensity without adequate rest.

We can have the greatest training program ever created. The best workouts with the best training partners. But, we will shoot ourselves in the food because we a) run too fast all the time b) don't get enough sleep and c) don't eat right.

If you really want to improve, work on rest and recovery methods (slightly easier EASY runs, contrast baths, massage, foam roller, etc)

Alan

runningart, you may have a point, though I tend to vary my paces a lot. I did the 10x20s hard, 10s easy--roughly the workout you were talking about. What are planks?

Jonesy... this is a Plank workout... good stuff: http://www.runnerspace.com/gprofile.php?do=videos&pg=1&mgroup_id=122&video_id=8104&folder_id=215&offset=1#video

Wrong video... try this:

http://www.runnerspace.com/gprofile.php?do=videos&pg=1&mgroup_id=122&video_id=8104&folder_id=215&offset=5#video

You'll reach a point where the plank no longer activates your core sufficiently and so you'll tire first in your shoulders.

At that point your best bet for a core exercise is just plain 'ol deep squats.

Alan

Is that necessarily true? I would think that it might also indicate weak shoulder muscles. Planks hurt my shoulders like woah but I doubt my core is anywhere near as strong as it should be.

Anyhoo - unsurprisingly, after Tuesday's practice Thursday ended up with much soreness.

With a race upcoming, we did:

200, 40s, 200, 3 mins, 300, 3 mins, 200, 40s, 200

The prescribed pace was 29s but it took a bit to get into it.

29, 30, 42, 28, 28.

Hopefully the 32-32.5's I hope to be running on Sunday feel like butter after this.

jonesy I would suggest something like 6-8 x 600m, in around 1:40-1:44, with 90s-120s rest

We just finished our home meet.

I split 432 in the DMR, 433 in the open 1600(1.5 hours later) and 55 split in the 4x4(20 minutes later).

I definitely should have broken 430 in the DMR, but I got too comfortable on the 3rd lap. Last lap was a 66.

Not much to report, still injured with plantar fascia-related stuff. It has my heart broken. My clubmates now seem to think I'm making up an injury, and am just "taking a break from the sport, would you not come back, we could use you for the team". This rankles a bit.

Currently jogging ~10-20min/day, +45min on bike trainer (working on not getting too fat). Icing, stretching, massaging, ibuprofen, all that good stuff. Developing an intimate relationship with my golf ball.

Getting fitted for new orthotics wed, pinning my hopes on that!

I shouldn't mope - everything else in my life is going great, better than I deserve - but I miss just being able to go run for an hour by the coast.

I'm really enjoying reading about everyone's progress though, especially Ron's! I didn't think you could progress as much as you have by this summer, never mind by february. We're seeing the makings of an elite master, from the ground up, which is fascinating.

So Eddy, when are you going to make your first serious attempt to break 4min in the 1500? Have you set a range of dates in April or May? A goal time without a goal date is not a goal. I'm trying to be supportive, but your current times art no indicative of 4 min 1500 speed. [quote]eddylee wrote: