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eddylee
RE: My goal of sub 4:00 1500-I will not stop until I reach my goal. 1/10/2008 12:30PM - in reply to another canuck Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
This morning my achilles(spelling) was bothering me a little during the warmup. So, I skipped the speed workout, and I did the school course(5k).

I'm going to go see the trainer this afternoon around 1ish before practice with my coach. I hope nothing is too badly informed.

It hurts to walk a little...it feel like it is being stretched.


FINGERS Xed!
darkness
RE: My goal of sub 4:00 1500-I will not stop until I reach my goal. 1/10/2008 11:27PM - in reply to eddylee Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
A) I can't believe that a University coach is this stupid.

B) You don't need any special formula or any secret training to break 4:00 when you are 20 years old. I thought you were a Canadian high-schooler because you ran the 1500 and you hadn't broken 4:10 and you had really screwed up training.

C) It is not your fault that your training is so bad, but realize that if you are planning on reaching your best (whether that is sub-3:50, sub-4:00 or sub-5:00) in May or June, training like this in December and January is riCOCKulous.

Seriously, nobody does intervals twice a day for days on end. Not only is it counterproductive, but few people can physically or mentally handle it for very long.

I am sorry for you that your coach is a twat. I hope you succeed in spite of him, but I am not holding my breath.
liff
RE: My goal of sub 4:00 1500-I will not stop until I reach my goal. 1/11/2008 5:26AM - in reply to eddylee Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
10/1
AM: 30mins real easy
PM: 2mi WU/CD, 4x1k Avg 3.13 with 1.30 recovery,1.30 recovery then 4x500 avg 1.28(70 Pace) with 1min recovery.

Very pleased with this session as those recoveries were very short and it feels good to run at 5k pace then pick it up to sub-3k. Hamstring feels tight this morning though.


eddylee, I think you should discuss what you're doing with your coach, if you realize it's counter-productive I don't see why you should be forced to do it.
eddylee
RE: My goal of sub 4:00 1500-I will not stop until I reach my goal. 1/12/2008 7:07PM - in reply to eddylee Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
1/7
AM: .75 w/u
5x(400+1min rest) 65,66,68,69,69
.75 c/d

PM: .75 w/u
2x(1600+10min rest) 4:50,4:52
.75 c/d
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1/8
AM: .75 w/u
5x(300hard+100jog) in trainers
.75c/d
We ran by feel with no time.

PM: PM: .75 w/u
1x1200+ 6min rest
1x600
.75 c/d
3:24,1:33
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1/9
AM: .75 w/u
4x(500-600meters accelerations continous)
.75 c/d
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1/10
AM: .75 w/u
5k course real easy
PM: I went and saw the trainers regarding my achilles, and she said that it was a bit inflamed. SHe taped me up, and I went on an easy 6mile run.
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1/11
AM-0
PM-6
I got my achilles taped again. It feels the same, but I am taking this weekend very easily.
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1/12
AM-0
I might go for a run later tonight at the gym. I am getting of work right now, and my achilles is feeling a little bit better while walking around. If I do go to the gym, I will do an easy 5-6 and some upper body weights.
Judy
RE: My goal of sub 4:00 1500-I will not stop until I reach my goal. 1/13/2008 12:03AM - in reply to eddylee Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Young man,your coach is a fool based on the training you are posting.That achilles problem should tell you both something.
liff
RE: My goal of sub 4:00 1500-I will not stop until I reach my goal. 1/13/2008 1:35PM - in reply to eddylee Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
eddylee, you're not doing all those intervals in spikes are you? that would really be tough on the achilles.

11/1 - 7 miles steady
12/1 - 4xmile with 2.30 recovery. 5.30,5.35,5.30,5.45 - done in a muddy field with slight rolling hills so times not indicative.
13/1 - 7 miles steady.

Total week mileage - 45-50, bit low


I'll be posting once a week from now on to make it easier for anyone who wants to to follow.
eddylee
RE: My goal of sub 4:00 1500-I will not stop until I reach my goal. 1/13/2008 1:37PM - in reply to Judy Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
1/7
AM: .75 w/u
5x(400+1min rest) 65,66,68,69,69
.75 c/d

PM: .75 w/u
2x(1600+10min rest) 4:50,4:52
.75 c/d
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1/8
AM: .75 w/u
5x(300hard+100jog) in trainers
.75c/d
We ran by feel with no time.

PM: PM: .75 w/u
1x1200+ 6min rest
1x600
.75 c/d
3:24,1:33
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1/9
AM: .75 w/u
4x(500-600meters accelerations continous)
.75 c/d
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1/10
AM: .75 w/u
5k course real easy
PM: I went and saw the trainers regarding my achilles, and she said that it was a bit inflamed. SHe taped me up, and I went on an easy 6mile run.
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1/11
AM-0
PM-6
I got my achilles taped again. It feels the same, but I am taking this weekend very easily.
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1/12
AM-0
PM-8
I did an easy 8miler on the treadmill last night. My achilles was bothering me for less than 5min, and then it went completely away.
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1/13
AM:0


Judy wrote:

Young man,your coach is a fool based on the training you are posting.That achilles problem should tell you both something.


I am sure that he knows that my achilles and my teammate’s shins are the cause of the enormous amount of stress (mainly track sessions) on our legs. He plans to back off a lot during this week due to our first meet this Saturday in Flagstaff.
eddylee
RE: My goal of sub 4:00 1500-I will not stop until I reach my goal. 1/13/2008 1:41PM - in reply to liff Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
[quote]liff wrote:

eddylee, you're not doing all those intervals in spikes are you? that would really be tough on the achilles.
quote]

I am doing the afternoon sessions in spikes, and the morning stuff in trainers. I might actually switch to flats instead of spikes all together and leave only the spikes for races.
liff
RE: My goal of sub 4:00 1500-I will not stop until I reach my goal. 1/13/2008 2:24PM - in reply to eddylee Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I'd just do the sessions in trainers if I were you, the benefit of possibly not getting injured probably far outweighs any slight benefit training in spikes so much might offer.
WK
RE: My goal of sub 4:00 1500-I will not stop until I reach my goal. 1/13/2008 2:33PM - in reply to eddylee Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Be very careful with the achilles. I have had a lot of problems with it. When it would first start up, the achilles would only hurt for the first 3 to 5 minutes in a run, then I would not feel it. But as the season went on it would only get worse, it would swell up twice it's size, I could barely walk, and when I finally would take time off to heal it, it would be so screwed up that it took 2 to 3 months before there was no pain.

My advice, back off now while you are still in the base phase of your training. Take a couple days off. Ice, ultrasound, etc. Once you feel no pain do some ecentric calf raises for a couple days, then get back to running and continue the calf raises. This will not have a big impact on you reaching your goal if done now. However, letting this achilles problem continue will affect you entire season.

Why ruin a whole season, and potentially the whole summer to run workouts in January when all you have to do is take a couple days off to prevent it.
www.running2win.com user
RE: My goal of sub 4:00 1500-I will not stop until I reach my goal. 1/13/2008 3:01PM - in reply to WK Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
why are u doing so much interval work?

Reasons?
eddylee
RE: My goal of sub 4:00 1500-I will not stop until I reach my goal. 1/14/2008 11:27AM - in reply to eddylee Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
[quote]eddylee wrote:

1/7
AM: .75 w/u
5x(400+1min rest) 65,66,68,69,69
.75 c/d

PM: .75 w/u
2x(1600+10min rest) 4:50,4:52
.75 c/d
-----
1/8
AM: .75 w/u
5x(300hard+100jog) in trainers
.75c/d
We ran by feel with no time.

PM: PM: .75 w/u
1x1200+ 6min rest
1x600
.75 c/d
3:24,1:33
-------
1/9
AM: .75 w/u
4x(500-600meters accelerations continous)
.75 c/d
---
1/10
AM: .75 w/u
5k course real easy
PM: I went and saw the trainers regarding my achilles, and she said that it was a bit inflamed. SHe taped me up, and I went on an easy 6mile run.
----
1/11
AM-0
PM-6
I got my achilles taped again. It feels the same, but I am taking this weekend very easily.
---
1/12
AM-0
PM-8
I did an easy 8miler on the treadmill last night. My achilles was bothering me for less than 5min, and then it went completely away.
----
1/13
AM:0
PM: easy 4
quote]

Last week I ran 42miles.
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1/14
AM:.75 w/u
3x(400 with 1min rest) 59,63,67
.75 c/d
HEre we go again lol. I ran these in flats. I'm happy with my times. Achilles is feeling great.
www.running2win.com user
RE: My goal of sub 4:00 1500-I will not stop until I reach my goal. 1/14/2008 12:09PM - in reply to eddylee Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
u need more endurance work at this time of the year longer runs!
boingo
RE: My goal of sub 4:00 1500-I will not stop until I reach my goal. 1/14/2008 12:26PM - in reply to www.running2win.com user Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
When's your first competition, eddy?
eddylee
RE: My goal of sub 4:00 1500-I will not stop until I reach my goal. 1/14/2008 12:44PM - in reply to www.running2win.com user Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
www.running2win.com user wrote:

u need more endurance work at this time of the year longer runs!


If you read any of the previous pages, then you would see why I do the certain workouts. I know that I need to do 12+long runs, etc. I have a coach, and he assigns me what to do. I would have gone 12+ on Saturday, but I was being careful due my achilles.
eddylee
RE: My goal of sub 4:00 1500-I will not stop until I reach my goal. 1/14/2008 12:48PM - in reply to boingo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
boingo wrote:

When's your first competition, eddy?


Sat, Jan 19 Lumberjack Invitational at Flagstaff, Ariz. 1:00 p.m.

Fri, Jan 25 NAU Team Challenge at Flagstaff, Ariz. TBA

Sat, Feb 02 Mountain T's Invitational at Flagstaff, Ariz. 1:00 p.m.

Sat, Feb 09 Lee Adams Invitational Bakersfield, Calif. 9:00 a.m.

Sat, Feb 16 Southwest Classic at Flagstaff, Ariz. 1:00 p.m.

Sat, Mar 01 Cal State Fullerton Tri-Meet at Fullerton, Calif. 1:00 p.m.

Sat, Mar 08 UCLA Invitational at Westwood, Calif. 1:00 p.m.

Fri, Mar 14 -
Sat, Mar 15 Northridge Invitational at Northridge, Calif. 1:00 p.m.

Sat, Mar 22 USC Trojan Invitational at Los Angeles, Calif. TBA

Fri, Mar 28 -
Sat, Mar 29 Cal-Nevada Championships at Fresno, Calif. 1:00 p.m.

Fri, Apr 04 -
Sat, Apr 05 Pomona-Pitzer Invitational at Claremont, Calif. 1:00 p.m.

Fri, Apr 11 JJK Invitational at Westwood, Calif. 1:00 p.m.

Thu, Apr 17 -
Sat, Apr 19 Mt. SAC Relays at Walnut, Calif. 1:00 p.m.

Thu, Apr 17 -
Fri, Apr 18 APU Meet of Champions at Azusa, Calif. 1:00 p.m.

Fri, Apr 25 Triton Invitational at La Jolla, Calif. 1:00 p.m.

Fri, Apr 25 -
Sat, Apr 26 Tommie Lister Invitational at Los Angeles, Calif. 1:00 p.m.

Fri, May 02 -
Sat, May 03 Claremont Classic at Claremont, Calif. 1:00 p.m.
boingo
RE: My goal of sub 4:00 1500-I will not stop until I reach my goal. 1/14/2008 5:35PM - in reply to eddylee Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Bah. I'm east coast - doubt I'll be anywhere near any of those meets. Good luck this weekend, though - I think I'm running 4x8 on Friday at the Armory in NYC.

First day back on my college campus for me. Had a pretty solid workout with our team:
Warmup + cooldown 35 minutes, 4.5 miles
5x1000 with 2 minutes rest: 2:59, 3:02, 3:04, 3:03, 3:02
I wasn't straining much, either.
eddylee
RE: My goal of sub 4:00 1500-I will not stop until I reach my goal. 1/14/2008 7:59PM - in reply to boingo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
1/14
AM:.75 w/u
3x(400 with 1min rest) 59,63,67
.75 c/d
HEre we go again lol. I ran these in flats. I'm happy with my times. Achilles is feeling great.

PM: .5 w/u
2x(1600 with 10min rest)4:38, 5:03
.5 c/d
I just ran a PR for the 1600. I came through the 800 in 2:18, and it felt great. The second 1600 was crappy
cantstop
RE: My goal of sub 4:00 1500-I will not stop until I reach my goal. 1/15/2008 5:56AM - in reply to eddylee Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Yo EddyLee,
Was the POINT of the session to run a 1600 PR on the first rep?
liff
RE: My goal of sub 4:00 1500-I will not stop until I reach my goal. 1/15/2008 7:35AM - in reply to boingo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
boingo wrote:

Bah. I'm east coast - doubt I'll be anywhere near any of those meets. Good luck this weekend, though - I think I'm running 4x8 on Friday at the Armory in NYC.

First day back on my college campus for me. Had a pretty solid workout with our team:
Warmup + cooldown 35 minutes, 4.5 miles
5x1000 with 2 minutes rest: 2:59, 3:02, 3:04, 3:03, 3:02
I wasn't straining much, either.


that's really moving boingo!
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