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I was thinking the same thing. If the taser itself doesn't kill you you may cause serious harm or death on the fall. In the case we're all talking about the dude cracked his head. Sometimes a head injury like that can be a death. The more I've been reading and thinking about it, the more ridiculous this cop seems to have been. What, honestly did the kid do to warrant that DANGEROUS reaction from the cop? I grew up with a cop father and a federal cop uncle. Shoot I've ridden with my dad on New Years Eve and seen some hairy situations like a man taking his own family hostage with a rifle. Threatening to kill his wife, kid, himself and any cop who stepped into his view. Now were those cops in danger? You bet! Was I scared out of my head just being in the car a half block away listening to the negotiations and yelling, waiting for shots to erupt. Uh-huh. But even in that case the cops were professional, negotiated him out of the house without his rifle and controlled the man and the situation. They secured him, they didn't beat him or call him a piece of shit or anything amateur like that. They handled their jobs like professionals, despite having their lives on the line. This crap about cops not knowing when they are going to get shot gives them a reason to throw cooperating citizens around, bark at them and tase them for damn near nothing is completely absurd. Yes cops have dangerous jobs. Yes they are often put into freaky situations and they have to control situations. And Yes, it is their job to use JUDGEMENT on duty. But they are also obliged to serve and protect the general public, not abuse them. We do not pay their salaries to have them bend over and shit splatter it back in our faces. Where was the judgement in this case, where was the reason. If the kid tried pushing away and fleeing, or calling him a f#xking @sshill I could see the officer using a strong hold and getting him securely on the ground and cuffing him. If the kid was walking at him and the cop said "stop or I will taser you" and the kid kept coming than I'd have to say he asked for it. But that was really not the case. I mean was this a brand new cop or a cop with a brand new taser gun that he was just bursting to try and this kid happened to come across him before the first rabbit? If I sound pissed it's because I am. Like I said, I have grown up around cops. I have been part of Swat Team parties and training days. And I know what good cops are. I admire and respect them. I also know what bad cops are because I've met them. They come in all shapes, colors and personalities. They are bad for all different reasons. Some take bribes, some are looking to get even with the type of people that had more success or better girls than them, some just can't exercise any restraint. They are NOT the majority, but they ARE the ones who should be made examples of. We did not set up a system of policing in this country so that we as citizens should fear them at our own social gatherings. We give them a job, we pay them and we give them our respect. We respect their courage and honor. But in this case we gave them a job, we paid them, they hurt one of us for NO APPARENT WARRANTED REASON and they took away our respect both for their courage and their honor. I'm still in shock that there are people on here defending those actions. |
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you sound more and more guilty of being a punk in this situation every time you post it. I'm not saying Mike deserved to get tasered, but you really didn't help this situation. If you realized it was silly to be in the ladies room to begin with why did you go in? you kept talking to the officer after he kicked you out of a ladies room with comments like "it wasn't my bright idea" and "are you serious?!?"....why would you do that, that's dumb. You use the word "throwing" carefully? so he picked you up off the ground and you went sailing through the air on your own powered flight? or were you pushed? You got the same treatment thousands of people who get kicked out of bars every night experience it sounds like. + the fact that you were in the ladies room probably didn't help much. It's dumb cause this kid saw you getting kicked out of a bar and thought he should speak up to a cop. Mike probably didn't even know what was going on, or the fact that you were making cocky comments to the cop while getting kicked out. Now he's facing serious charges and has staples in his head. I hope you feel like a real winner. |
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QFE. Mike doesn't deserve what happened to him, but he was not smart to stand up for this punk (especially since he had no idea what was said in the restroom). |
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I find this whole situation shocking. I'm stunned. |
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All this rhetoric don't mean a damn thing in the court of letsrun.com. The only court that matters is the one in Warren County, Ohio. My guess is that the cops' attorneys are reading this, and will find a way to have this thread go in their favor in court. To all parties concerned, all I can say is good luck...may the best lawyers win! |
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I don't know Mike, but it sounds like he saw an injustice, and responded by questioning it. Runners often stick up for fellow runners and teammates, and it does not sound like Mike did anything to warrant the use of potentially deadly force. Several years ago, I saw a video that documented my father's friend and his wife getting brutally beaten by 8 officers during a peaceful protest in the 70's at a Chicano rights march. I couldn't believe what I saw, as these officers surrounded the husband, then began to beat him, followed by his wife, who had thrown her body over the man to protect him. The couple was unarmed, and was not resisting. It was all caught on tape, and if I can track down a copy, would be more than willing to show it to others, as it is a powerful example of excessive force used unlawfully by police officers. Wejo, will you be using the site to help raise funds for Mike to get out on bail? I know that I would be willing to give a little, and I'm sure others would be too. |
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I'm not sure I'd call those comments cocky or that of a "punk", but possibly more than the yes sir, no sir that may have been more appropriate in hindsight. I guess it depends on what you call cocky. By the time I saw what was going on though(right when he was being removed from the bathroom), I saw a compliant, unnaggresive, cooperating person who was stating in a non-threatening manner that he wasn't resisting, doing everything he was told (or wasn't being told really) and was still being very forcefully led out (maybe appropriate) and very aggresively shoved, pushed, thrown, whatever you want to call it, through a couple of glass doors with enough force that I wouldn't have been surprised if his head broke the glass. I don't believe Mike stepped in until Sam was pushed through the first set of doors. But to me it looked like Sam was about to get his ass kicked by one or more officers. I hope the people that made disingenuous statements to the police about how belligerent Mike was acting (who I think assume that Mike was involved in the bathroom incident and was freinds or involved with those they considered to be acting immature and offensive) feel like real winners. |
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You make them sound guilty. According to you. 1. You were not in the bathroom so none of us have any idea how the actual conversation in the bathroom went. 2. We do know that he did not belong in the bathroom. 3. We also know that Mike had no idea what went down in the bathroom. 4. We also know that Mike (no matter what his intentions were) stepped into a situation that he did not belong and he had no idea what happened in the bathroom. You my friend will make an excellent witness for the DA. |
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Good point, we've established that the two in question were indubitably guilty of being in the wrong bathroom and/or verbally questioning an officer's actions. I'm glad we finally straightened that out. The only question that remains is, why didn't the cop just take them outside and execute them both? They were clearly guilty and needed to be punished accordingly. Sounds like a serious dereliction of duty to me. |
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how about you derelict... my balls.... |
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Jesus Tarzan, I can actually see you swinging on the cops balls. But you make a good point, these are the crimes of some serious societal scum. Just guys who are out to do wrong, excercise evil, shoot 'em up and rape the left overs. Let me tell you a story that will inspire your crusade. Last night my wife was driving and we went from a 45 MPH zone directly into a 30. Funny thing was the road didn't get any more narrow or change in any way. In fact the 30 zone had been recently paved and felt smooth as glass and felt quite slow. But I peered over at the spedometer and to my horror I saw that she was still travelling at 40!!! I told that B@tch to open her door and booted her right out of the car. I then called the cops and told them what happened. I also told them that she often referred to police officers as bacon and that they needed to teach her a damn lesson. We need to crack down on the real criminals in this country. Shoot I don't care if cops walk around with fully automatic rifles and electric whips. If a citizen crosses a street where there is no intersection they should be required to where handcuffs at all times except driving. If a person grinds on a girl on a dance floor without her verbal permissions, they should have to wear a spiked choker on their johnson and lose the right to bear children. We need to have a monthly cop day where we watch videos of cops telling people to do things like jump off bridges and slam a door on their head or they get tased or shot. We need to get down to what this country was set up for. The "authourities" do and say as they please and the rest need to crawl on their hands and needs with their heads down. I'm on my way to the tattoo shop right now to get a "tase me here please" on my jugular. |
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These f***ing morons who keep stepping in to defend the cops NO MATTER WHAT the eyewitnesses say is actually pushing the limits of sanity, and shows how full letsrun is of just the biggest idiots out there. Firstly, what on earth is possessing you clowns to argue relentlessly with these eyewitnesses?? Every single thing that the eyewitnesses say that might prove that the cops overreacted you clowns respond with "this makes you seem like even a BIGGER punk than before" or other bullshit of how obviously the police were in the right, and that basically the police almost never just abuse someone for no good reason. What the hell planet do you live on?? Did ANYONE read the links I posted about the Atlanta airport state cop who was fired after countless complaints against him and several suspensions??? (and he is just one small example of what happens many times around the country each day). They let this cop slide on all his other offenses, but his abusive ways eventually caught up to him when he grabbed a 50 y.o. woman out of her car and slammed her to the ground all because she accidentally bumped her rearview mirror against him while backing up (because he TOLD her to move her car) while driving like 2 mph. Now with that case, I am sure you defend-the-cops-no-matter-what retards would have said "oh, I am sure she had it coming, she probably hit the cop really hard with her car and did it on purpose, and the cop probably didn't even rough her up much." That was the cop's defense, and they charged the woman with several serious charges just like this Mike guy got charged with. Problem was, the situation with the Atlanta airport cop was captured on video. Once the courts viewed the tapes, they dropped the charges against the woman, she eventually sued, the cop was fired and the woman got a $350,000 settlement. Yeah, cops just NEVER go ballistic for no good reason, it rarely, rarely happens. WHAT?!?! I guess it was really that woman's fault ultimately because she wasn't careful with her car, right? Jesus christ there are morons on this board. And what the hell is your motivation for defending the cops no matter what ?? It seems like your goal and motivation is just to piss off the people defending them and to try to make the eyewitnesses or those involved seem like punks no matter how un-punkish they actually seem from their posts. Why??? Why does that get you off? It is quite apparent that several posts on this thread made by people who claimed they witnessed the cops behaving appropriately and that they made statements to the police to contradict the eyewitnesses who claim the cops overreacted were bogus posters. What on earth would posses these morons to do this? It seems like their sole goal is just to be an a-holes and defend the cops at all cost, and to try to make these runners look bad. What a bunch of sad idiots. Nothing surprises me at letsrun anymore. |
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These f***ing morons who keep stepping in to defend the cops NO MATTER WHAT the eyewitnesses say is actually pushing the limits of sanity, and shows how full letsrun is of just the biggest idiots out there. Firstly, what on earth is possessing you clowns to argue relentlessly with these eyewitnesses?? Every single thing that the eyewitnesses say that might prove that the cops overreacted you clowns respond with "this makes you seem like even a BIGGER punk than before" or other bullshit of how obviously the police were in the right, and that basically the police almost never just abuse someone for no good reason. What the hell planet do you live on?? Did ANYONE read the links I posted about the Atlanta airport state cop who was fired after countless complaints against him and several suspensions??? (and he is just one small example of what happens many times around the country each day). They let this cop slide on all his other offenses, but his abusive ways eventually caught up to him when he grabbed a 50 y.o. woman out of her car and slammed her to the ground all because she accidentally bumped her rearview mirror against him while backing up (because he TOLD her to move her car) while driving like 2 mph. Now with that case, I am sure you defend-the-cops-no-matter-what retards would have said "oh, I am sure she had it coming, she probably hit the cop really hard with her car and did it on purpose, and the cop probably didn't even rough her up much." That was the cop's defense, and they charged the woman with several serious charges just like this Mike guy got charged with. Problem was, the situation with the Atlanta airport cop was captured on video. Once the courts viewed the tapes, they dropped the charges against the woman, she eventually sued, the cop was fired and the woman got a $350,000 settlement. Yeah, cops just NEVER go ballistic for no good reason, it rarely, rarely happens. WHAT?!?! I guess it was really that woman's fault ultimately because she wasn't careful with her car, right? Jesus christ there are morons on this board. And what the hell is your motivation for defending the cops no matter what ?? It seems like your goal and motivation is just to piss off the people defending them and to try to make the eyewitnesses or those involved seem like punks no matter how un-punkish they actually seem from their posts. Why??? Why does that get you off? It is quite apparent that several posts on this thread made by people who claimed they witnessed the cops behaving appropriately and that they made statements to the police to contradict the eyewitnesses who claim the cops overreacted were bogus posters. What on earth would posses these morons to do this? It seems like their sole goal is just to be an a-holes and defend the cops at all cost, and to try to make these runners look bad. What a bunch of sad idiots. Nothing surprises me at letsrun anymore. |
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Please. This issue of the boys being in the girls bathroom could have been handled by the night assistant to the assistant hotel manager. A simple "get out of the bathroom now" works well. Here, try it with me... "Please get out of the girls bathroom now" End of story. The cop was WAY out of line. Obvious. People who are defending the "boys in blue" seem to be reaching with their "what if" arguments. Cops are people. People make mistakes. This cop used poor judgment in handling a situation. Simple as that. When a situation arises, you can handle it in certain ways. There are wrong ways, and there are right ways. There are ways in between. This cop clearly handled it poorly. He needs to BE a man and admit it that he was WAY too rough with this kid. A kid who was a bystander no less. But my bet is he won't be. Tough on this poor kid who was put in jail by this renegade "peace officer." He SLAMMED HIM AGAINST A WALL AND THEN TASERED HIM. And for what? C'mon People! That's just not right. What peace did the peace officer bring into this world? Happy Holidays. |
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Song lyrics: Blue lights flashing, they had traffic stopped And Highway 11's done turned into a permanent road block I wasn't driving, my wife was my D.D. And she hadn't drank a drop, still got hassled by the J.P.D. And I said hey dude can't you just leave her alone She ain't done nothin' wrong man and we just want to go home Woah-woah And I was mad as hell, thinking f*** the po-po and they wonder why folks don't trust 'em no more Woah-hoah And I'm not gonna let this go, so I'm singing f*** the po-po So I got arrested, just for speaking up And that cop said boy the only right you have is to shut the f*** up Now I'm a jail-bird, I've done time in the pen And I've got a real messed up story to tell all my friends And my name was in the newspaper in my home town They ruined my reputation because I didn't bow down No-no And now I'm mad as hell singing f*** the po-po And they wonder why folks don't trust 'em no more Woah-hoah And I'm not gonna let this go so I'm singing f*** the po-po Two fingers in the air for the J.P.D. The long-arm of the law coming down on me Now I understand why all these rappers are mad They must have been treated as badly as I have Now I'm screaming thug life, f*** the po-po Shootin' birds out the window whenever the cops go by They're puttin road blocks in front of my house Man I'm starting to feel like I live under the Taliban Can't drive home without a gun in my face Thursday through Sunday, they're invading my space Tellin' me its for my sake, they're keepin' the streets safe By gettin' all the drunks off of the highway But I say man, that's a big f***in' lie It's all about the money from the D.U.I.'s Otherwise they'd be parked out in front of this bar Giving free breathalysers before we get in our cars Instead they just hide about 3 miles away And sit and wait for one of us to make a mistake Drink a little to much and you'll be cuffed and stuffed And probably roughed up if you complain enough You'll be carted off to jail, in the land of the free Another victim of the over-zealous J.P.D. Now don't get me wrong, I don't mean disrespect There are a lot of good cops, who serve and protect And they boldly put their lives on the line To protect our rights and give us peace of mind But for every cop who thinks his badge is a crown This song is for you, and I'll never bow down ... And I'm mad as hell singing f*** the po-po woah-woah And I'm not gonna let this go so I'm singing f*** the po-po y'all Oh no, f*** the po-po |
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This is a job for the ACLU. They will kick the asses of the lawmen of Ohio for sure. |
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Okay, resort to ad hominem attacks. That makes you look smart. Or does it? It is clear that those defending Mike on here have a bias (the "let's stand up for him because he is a fellow runner" mentality). Also, the credibility of these "eyewitness" accounts is quesionable, especially the one from the guy fooling around in the bathroom. His story has changed slightly every time he has posted. He seems to exagerate more and more each time he posts. As a result, we're taking everything we read with a grain of salt, as any rational person might do.
I don't know what leads you to think this. We're questioning all eyewitness accounts, just like any competent lawyer would do in a court of law. And based upon his own first person account (of what he said to the officer), the guy in the bathroom WAS in fact acting like a punk. I have a hard time believing the story of someone dumb enough to be a smartass to police. I never said the police were in the right, but maybe this smartass behavior justifies dragging this guy out of the bathroom. And if that is the case, Mike was a fool to stand up to the police and be the "hero" when, in fact, no injustice had ever occured.
I read your links. I agree that police brutality does exist. And I think that police SHOULD be punished when they use unwarranted force. But what we are debating here is an entirely different scenario, so your links don't really apply. In the Atlanta case, the lady ACCIDENTALY bumped the cop. In this case, Mike bringing himself into a bad situation and speaking up to the police certainly WAS NO ACCIDENT. It was purposeful and deliberate. I'm not implying that he was trying to challenge or hurt the officers, or that he deserved to be tasered, but in the context of the moment, how was the officer to know?
I'm not defending the cops "no matter what" in the same sense that you ARE defending Mike and bathroom guy no matter what. I am trying to understand BOTH sides of the story to get a more accurate account of what really happened, without letting your "the police are always wrong" mentality get in the way. I'm a very open-minded person actually. (Also, I have made no statements about this to any police, as I was not there. That was some other poster.) |
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Apropos of our discussion regarding appropriate force: "[t]he RCMP will restrict its use of tasers, just days after a critical report said the national police force was firing the stun guns too often. The Mounties say they will more clearly define use-of-force terminology and limit taser use to situations where 'a subject is displaying combative behaviours or is being actively resistant.'" http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071214.wtaserrcmp1214/BNStory/National/home |
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what bar did this happen at? |
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Hallway at the King Island Resort |