whats a decent freshman 8k time in cross? like not stellar but not bad.
whats a decent freshman 8k time in cross? like not stellar but not bad.
Since the season just finished, shouldn't you know?
Add 10:30 to your hs 5k pr. If you hit that, you've done pretty well.
Beyond that, it's hard to say. Depends on what level you run (d1, d3?) and the type of course.
sub 30:00 is a good starting point.
I would think that for the average college guy just starting out under 28:00 is a good.
I know a kid in va that is in highschool and running 24
That's good, but probably well past the threshold of "good". Did you just have the need to name drop without dropping a name?
"Good" really depends on your expectations. Do you want to be All-American? Make a NAIA cross team? I'd say that under 26:30 or so is, in general, a good starting point.
EB55 wrote:
I know a kid in va that is in highschool and running 24
No you dont. High school never runs that distance unless its a road race. 24 minutes would have won BigEast cross country back in college when I was there at Van Courtland. unless he's a footlocker finalist there's no way this is true. If he is then I will say that maybe the top half could do that.
abosolutely?
i would say under 28:00 in general
relatively?
you should consider your improvement good if you're
highschool 5k PB is your 5k SPLIT of your best
8k. obviously, this thinking won't work for those that
particularly fast 5ks in highschool
i think what your goal is and what the vast majority of your competition is like makes a big difference. running at a D3 school with the conference being mostly small (less than 3000)private schools 2830-29 is a decent starting point. nice thing about d3 is you can really improve a lot with the right coach. I dropped almost 5min from my frosh pr to my senior year pr
if you've done the summer work should be:
frosh good? hold 5:30 pace til the end
soph good? time to contribute: hold 5:20-5:25 pace and kick as needed for team pts
I think that a good 8k time as a freshman to be competitive would be around 26:30 to 27:00.
this is all so relative...but on the whole i'd say running in the 28's is average, under 28:00 is good, anything under 27:00 is very good, and if you're faster than that you were probably nasty in high school to begin with so you wouldn't need to be reading this thread.
this is the end wrote:
this is all so relative...but on the whole i'd say running in the 28's is average, under 28:00 is good, anything under 27:00 is very good, and if you're faster than that you were probably nasty in high school to begin with so you wouldn't need to be reading this thread.
Here's a more realistic take on freshman 8k xc ability. I don't know what the rest of you guys are smoking but 28 is intramural good but definitely below average for a freshman collegiate distance runner regardless of division.
27 is mid walk on range.
26 is ok
25 is good
24 is very good
If you are in the 28's you should seriously look to another sport or find a way to better spend your collegiate days, like drinking beer and chasing skirts.
Say What? wrote:
Here's a more realistic take on freshman 8k xc ability. I don't know what the rest of you guys are smoking but 28 is intramural good but definitely below average for a freshman collegiate distance runner regardless of division.
27 is mid walk on range.
26 is ok
25 is good
24 is very good
If you are in the 28's you should seriously look to another sport or find a way to better spend your collegiate days, like drinking beer and chasing skirts.
hahah...i don't know what you're judging that based off of...but unless you are speaking of the top .01% of colleges in the country, you are absolutely wrong.
many 4:15/1:55 high schoolers come into college and can't break 27. i've known some not to break 28 their freshman year. that spring they'll run 4:10 and 3:00 on the dmr lead-off. and you're saying that they are 'mid walk-on range'??? if you run 27:00 your freshman year, you are good, unless you go to a school that is consistently making ncaa's, which is a tiny, tiny, TINY minority. even if we are just speaking about D1, i would say that 27:00 is above average. if we are talking about the whole spectrum of collegiate cross country, from D1 to D2 and D3 to NAIA and independent schools, forget it.
you vastly underestimate the range for improvement which 18-22 year old bodies can show, particularly when they are exposed to truly serious training for the first time in their lives. to not allow a 27 minute, even 28 minute guy on your team is pure madness, i don't care who you recruit. you also are considering only the schools which we routinely read about on the front pages when it comes to collegiate cross country. at a VAST majority of American colleges, if you run 27 minutes FLAT, you are varsity. and you saying that these kids should pick another sport if they can't make varsity as freshman??? absolutely absurd.
i know we all have an elitist bent here at these wonderful message boards, but seeing as a 10:10 HS 2 miler just finished 30 seconds behind an 8:40 HS 2 miler in the olympic trials marathon (sell to ritz, in case you didn't catch it), you'd think the hard-workers, the late bloomers, would get a little bit more respect.
A good start is anything UNDER 34 minutes.
I quit college football having never run cross country in my life and ran 27:50 in my first year of xc.... I was 187 pounds. A year later and 20 punds lighter I ran 26:20. This year I ran 5 miles in 25:50 (151 pounds)....
I ran at a d3 school (occidental college) and the second year was the 4-6th man... we made nationals.
maybe for a girl
cuz i ran a 25 37 and my coach pretty much made me feel like shit. and so i just wanted to see if he was right
frosh wrote:
cuz i ran a 25 37 and my coach pretty much made me feel like shit. and so i just wanted to see if he was right
if you won footlocker or something like that he might have a point. but even then...
there are jackass coaches everywhere. soldier on, man.
Not sure if any of you are actually college coaches. Here are the two ways I set goals/evalute my freshmen:
1. Did you beat the oft-mentioned 10:30 + HS PR threshhold?
2. Did you run a 5K PR split during an 8K this year?
If you accomplished both, then it was a good year.
For the sophomore year goal, strive for a new PR of at least 1 minute faster than your freshman year.