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one has been done in 4 hours one has been done in 16 hours - which do you think would be hardest?
Jay Mountain Marathon is harder than Pike's Peak Marathon!
If you think Leadville is a tough ultra, it's not. I would say that the Lake City 50 is a tougher ultra, even as a shorter difference. Hardrock 100 is by far the hardest ultra in Colorado, probably the US. Pikes Peak is tough by marathon standards, but most runners could go out and run that tomorrow if they wanted to.
I have done both. Pike's Peak marathon is harder than Leadville 100. Leadville might be 100 miles. But Pike's Peak takes more out of your body. I've never felt that kind of pain.
It might be different for those who do them just to complete the event. For those people Leadville is harder because they have to go farther and are just hiking up Pike's peak. However for those who actually race them it is a different world. You simply can not put out the kind of effort for 100 as you do for a marathon.
For those who don't do them it is like the dfference between racing an out 10k and jogging a marathon. Sure 26.2 miles is a long way. But if you just jog it... It simply is not as hard as the 10k. That is the difference between racing Pike's peak marathon and racing the Leadville 100 mile. Hope that makes sense.
Which is harder, the 50-yard dash or the 400 meter hurdles?
How 'bout, the 4X100 relay versus Hood to Coast relay?
Barkley or Hardrock?
Ask Carpenter. He's raced them both.
Well Mr. Peaker you just made my point(I guess)! Jay's Mountain Marathon must be harder than both then!.....because I know several Ultra runners who have run Pike's vs Jay's and they agree that Jay's is Harder!
Did Carpenter finish Barkleys? I understand it supposed to be the hardest ultra, but not sure if I really consider it a race given the small field, etc.
Well, I'm not quite sure what "harder" means. I'm going to assume that you are referring to giving an all-out effort at each race.
All things being equal, it will take longer to recover from Leadville. Running 100 miles induces a kind of musculoskeletal trauma that is evident instantly upon finishing the race--often before the race is even over. Walking normally is very very difficult the day after running hard for 100 miles. Also, running for 15, 16, 20 hours or whatever will take you to places mentally and physically that you didn't know existed if you haven't attempted to run 100 miles before.
However, the Pikes Peak Marathon will also make you very very very sore. Your quads will be indescribably sore the day after running 13 miles downhill as fast as you can. But, within a day or two everything will seem pretty normal again, if you're well-trained. And, even though it will be really damn hard running up Pikes, it won't last much more than 3hours (if you're actually running) and then you get to go downhill. At Leadville, you'll get to where you feel the way you do at the end of the Pikes Peak Marathon and you'll still have 30 miles and an 11,400' pass to navigate before you get to stop.
They're both great great races.
(Yes, Hardrock is very very tough. I'm not so sure that Lake City is "tougher" than Leadville...it generally only takes about half as long, afterall...)
DNFer wrote:Did Carpenter finish Barkleys? I understand it supposed to be the hardest ultra, but not sure if I really consider it a race given the small field, etc.
Barkley, like Badwater, is an event of its own. It is unique. There just isn't a way to compare it to anything. Foolish to try to compare any marathon to any 100-miler. Try a hundred on a track sometime...aarrrrgghhhhhhhhh.
As for a small field determining a race's validity--wouldn't the small field invalidate just about every 1500, mile, 100 meter, melon-carrying while pushing a spare-tire, event?
I think the USATF says if ya has three entrants, you can set a jennuwhine record (course certified and all that jazz).
So has Carp ran Barkley's?
I wouldn't necessarily that Lake City takes 1/2 as long as Leadville. Each person is different, but I saw a few people run 15-16 hours at Lake City and finish Leadville in well under 30.
I don't recall ever seeing his name in any of the Barkley articles. I'll go over to the closet after a while and look in the old issues.
What happens at one ultra has so little to do with what happens at another, especially when you change distance. The mind-set is different, strategy, if any, is changed--so many variables.
There was one 50-miler in Oregon, I suppose reasonably hilly, that I ran four times. Times varied from 7:40ish to almost 11:00--weather, diet, a hard 40-miler the weekend before, bee stings, snow and hail, who knows what all is out there.
The best yard-stick is folks who have ran the together sitting around a campfire, rehashing every rock and curve from that day's running.
Do you know who Taco is?
Ain't he Burrito's little brother?
boulderati wrote:
Do you know who Taco is?
I do!! But... slight catch... I can't tell you who he is!!
But..regardless... ultrarunners are slow as fuuuuuck!! so, who cares about pike's peak or leadville... 10 minute pace is for losersss....
anton krupicka
Marshall Ulrich finished both the same day ca. 1992?
Jesse,
What's Marshall up to these days? Is he "finally retired" from doing ultras? It's been a few years since I've talked to him.
Still doing interviews & public speaking, friends say. Book came out awhile ago, somewhat recently still doing Vitamix promos. A cool device which I need! A bit pricey.
My new thread is I Survived Organizing 5 Transcons