Honestly, why do so many runners at the Div III level talk about "running for the love of it" when comparing themselves to other divisions?
"Money runners"
What is the deal with that? Are you really that insecure?
Honestly, why do so many runners at the Div III level talk about "running for the love of it" when comparing themselves to other divisions?
"Money runners"
What is the deal with that? Are you really that insecure?
I've run both divisions...don't know what you're talking about. But I do think d3 kids are more down to earth, realize why they're at college, and many are just as fast.
and cliff - they generally take a more balanced approach towards both academics and running, with, ironically, more success in running relative to their talent level than many of those in Division 1.
quantum wrote:
and cliff - they generally take a more balanced approach towards both academics and running, with, ironically, more success in running relative to their talent level than many of those in Division 1.
That's a bunch of bs. The real answer, of course, is that there is a great deal of jealousy and some animosity about not having the talent to compete in DI.
quantum wrote:
and cliff - they generally take a more balanced approach towards both academics and running, with, ironically, more success in running relative to their talent level than many of those in Division 1.
They obviously smoke a lot of dope in Div III.
mr. cheese wrote:
quantum wrote:and cliff - they generally take a more balanced approach towards both academics and running, with, ironically, more success in running relative to their talent level than many of those in Division 1.
That's a bunch of bs. The real answer, of course, is that there is a great deal of jealousy and some animosity about not having the talent to compete in DI.
I'd almost say the other way around. Most I know who run DIII accept their situation and make the best of it. But I also know a few DI runners (not among the best), who act like they're something special just because they're on a DI team and act rather condescendingly toward those in lesser divisions.
Mr. Observer Guy wrote:
Honestly, why do so many runners at the Div III level talk about "running for the love of it" when comparing themselves to other divisions?
"Money runners"
What is the deal with that? Are you really that insecure?
They must love being sucky runners and competing for cheap titles, then.
oh God, here we go. A great deal of jealousy? Please. Any number of DIII runners could easily run at a DI institution if they wanted. Hell, I had a teammate who ran 3:57 in the 15 transfer to a DI school just so he could "run D-1". Don't give me this talent b.s.
Usher wrote:
mr. cheese wrote:That's a bunch of bs. The real answer, of course, is that there is a great deal of jealousy and some animosity about not having the talent to compete in DI.
I'd almost say the other way around. Most I know who run DIII accept their situation and make the best of it. But I also know a few DI runners (not among the best), who act like they're something special just because they're on a DI team and act rather condescendingly toward those in lesser divisions.
not to mention D ! coaches, so i won't name
names.
it is all running, pure and simple. face the fact.
midwesta wrote:
oh God, here we go. A great deal of jealousy? Please. Any number of DIII runners could easily run at a DI institution if they wanted. Hell, I had a teammate who ran 3:57 in the 15 transfer to a DI school just so he could "run D-1". Don't give me this talent b.s.
A "3:57 in the 15"? He either when to a sucky D1 program or he was turned into a 10,000 or steeple runner.
I think that was the point. 3:57 isn't even very great in d3. Above average, but a 3:57 guy will have a tough time even winning his conference if it is a decent one.
jcccddd wrote:
I think that was the point. 3:57 isn't even very great in d3. Above average, but a 3:57 guy will have a tough time even winning his conference if it is a decent one.
3:55 is a provisional qualifier for diii nats. so there are maybe 20 guys who can consistently run faster than 3:57 in that division each year? of course there will always be a few guys who are very talented down there, but let's not exaggerate. there are almost 20 guys on good d1 programs who can run that time, or the equivalent level at other distances.
however, who cares? most of us won't be making our living by running 1500m races. D1 guys who think they're wonderful are just as bad as D3 guys who think they are smarter.
Sure, if they want to ride the pine or be minor contributors. The top 10 or so d3 guys in xc might become top-5 scorers on a d1 team that qualifies for nationals and maybe a few could be all-americans, but that isn't saying much. No d3 guy today is ever good enough to challenge for the d1 individual xc title, that's all that really needs to be realized here.
I know plenty of d1 xc teams that nyu and calvin would have an easy time sweeping 1-5. It's cross country, not football, division isn't a big issue unless you're talking about running at one of the real big schools in d1. So when people like the OP want to down-talk d3, just wait until after college and see how you feel your senior year regional qualifying time compares to a d3 national champion from a school like nyu or williams, or any other top notch academic school with fine running program that competes at the division 3 level. The d3 guy probably will have had a great college experience and have a better job. But at least you were at d1, being the man.
Schools like Williams are fake D3, they pay their top runners, too. I'd bet their guys get more money than half of Colorado's roster does.
I'll take that bet. In fact I'll bet they give no money, since they're d3.
My experience of college runners? Most people DON'T TALK ABOUT THEIR DIVISION. The only people I can see constantly harping about their division would be d**chebags.
Williams is a highly selective academic school. Schools like that don't often give much in the form of financial aid.
Williams ain't squat, just a bunch of snobs.
My experience was that it never came up. Almost all of the guys on my team admired what the D1 runners did, and admired what the professional runners did, but none of them thought they were D1 runners, or really aspired to be D1 runners. This doesn't mean we didn't aspire to run as fast as we potentially could. I doubt the guys on my team would have tolerated someone who was that concerned with what division they ran in anyway.
talent b.s. wrote:
Sure, if they want to ride the pine or be minor contributors. The top 10 or so d3 guys in xc might become top-5 scorers on a d1 team that qualifies for nationals and maybe a few could be all-americans, but that isn't saying much. No d3 guy today is ever good enough to challenge for the d1 individual xc title, that's all that really needs to be realized here.
Pretty much anyone who is AA in D3 should score for a 25-30 ranked D1 team. And guys like Ryan Bak and Josh Moen have been taking lots of former D1 studs' scalps.