Ritz and the US 10K record

Aberdeen wrote:

I have to say, I believe he can do it. His track PR isn't nearly the performance that today's Central Park run was. If it was on a fast course, I'd say big deal. But in CP? Beating Mottram?

27:11 in Europe.

If he stays healthy, then it's certainly possible. But don't underestimate how solid the 10k AR really is. Plenty of jerkies were predicting Goucher to break it last year based off of his 13:10 or whatever 5k. Meb's record WILL be respected.

You're way to excited about this. 28:08 is 22:30 for an 8K, which has been done many times in Central Park. It's a far cry from 27:11.

you're forgetting to realize that a 10k is 2k more than an 8k. Thus, he could run a lot faster through the 8k and it doesn't knock his performance today.

terrific run.

well abdi is running hengelo next saturday maybe ritz can join him

Not to discredit Ritz's race performance (and he is deserving of a ton of credit), but people still don't seem to understand the Mottram is a 5k specialist. He has yet to put together a good 10k. Mottram can run sub 27, but has come near that. If he focused on the 10k he would do just that. Ritz, I don't honestly believe, is capable of sub 27.

according to mcmillan's calculator is equivalent to 22:19 for 8k. Has that been done a lot in CP?

Mottram has come nowhere near 27:00. Regardless, Ritz broke the course record held by Paul Koech. That guy was really good.

thewhatif wrote:

Not to discredit Ritz's race performance (and he is deserving of a ton of credit), but people still don't seem to understand the Mottram is a 5k specialist. He has yet to put together a good 10k. Mottram can run sub 27, but has come near that. If he focused on the 10k he would do just that. Ritz, I don't honestly believe, is capable of sub 27.

MegaZord wrote:

according to mcmillan's calculator is equivalent to 22:19 for 8k. Has that been done a lot in CP?

No, it's only marginally faster than Broe's 22:26. It's not anywhere near 27:00, probably more like a 27:50 on a track.

27:50??? Clearly, you've never run or seen the course the race was run on. Moreover, unless I'm mistaken, the 8,000 does not include the hills on the north side of the park. Can anyone verify this? Regardless, I don't care what it's worth on the track. It broke the course record of Paul Koech!!!!!! That is quite significant.

Talk Talk wrote:

MegaZord wrote:

according to mcmillan's calculator is equivalent to 22:19 for 8k. Has that been done a lot in CP?

No, it's only marginally faster than Broe's 22:26. It's not anywhere near 27:00, probably more like a 27:50 on a track.

[quote]I think this is good wrote:

Mottram has come nowhere near 27:00. Regardless, Ritz broke the course record held by Paul Koech. That guy was really good.[quote]thewhatif wrote:

Koech was the dude that (with Tergat) used to give holy hell to Haile on the track. Damn right he was good. Says something about this performance.

The video clips of his race today reflect a truly world class runner, albeit without one with the high end speed of the top Africans. I was really impressed with the amount of continuous forward push he generates when running, and frankly, given his background, is very much capable of breaking the American 10K record on the track. Avoiding injury will be the key - let's hope he continues to succeed.

i'm not convinced that mottram can run sub 27:00. the guy is tall and lanky and has good speed, but i don't see him breaking 27. i believe he could run low 27's, like 27:10, but not sub 27. so what if his 5k pr is 12:55? not everyone who runs 12:55 can run sub 27; it's not an automatic.

Talk Talk wrote:

No, it's only marginally faster than Broe's 22:26. It's not anywhere near 27:00, probably more like a 27:50 on a track.

You're kidding, right? Talking tongue in cheek, right? Trying to put somebody on, right? A 28:08 on a road is only equivalent to a 27:50 on a track?!! Since all roads are different, it is difficult to make a direct comparison, but how about at least in the range of 27:25 to 27:40.

my 8k pr is 26:14 and about 5:14 pace per mile, my 10k pr is 32:51 and so that's just about the same pace so really i think the pace for ritz' 8k is only going to be marginally faster, maybe 2 or 3 seconds per mile i'd say. every coach i've ever talked to said you run a 10k the same way you run your 8k you just do it longer, so really i don't think it'd be much faster

uh huh you know it wrote:

you're forgetting to realize that a 10k is 2k more than an 8k. Thus, he could run a lot faster through the 8k and it doesn't knock his performance today.

terrific run.

How can anyone say what his time is going to be on the track? If you look at who he beat, it doesn't make things any easier to work out. Aish is coming off a 27:46 track race but was beaten by Letherby today who ran 29:02 in the same race at Stanford. Running is a funny and frustrating thing! Some people run well on the road and maybe Ritz had one of those days where he was "on". Hopefully he is over the injuries and can rip out an awesome 10k on the track this summer. I would have thought that people would have stopped putting limits on the guy considering that no one thought he had a chance of beating Mottram. Good luck to Ritz. I hope he runs up to his potential this year and beyond.

Ritz is right on his usual pace.

Get super fit.

Run a fantastic race too soon.

Run good at US qualifying race.

Get hurt and miss major event.

Repeat.

Yeah, in 97 Koech ran 26:36 on the track, far surpassing the expected 27:52 his time in Central Park indicated, according to the 18 second differential. So it can be done I think.

organic crunchy peanut butter wrote:

Yeah, in 97 Koech ran 26:36 on the track, far surpassing the expected 27:52 his time in Central Park indicated, according to the 18 second differential. So it can be done I think.

1997 was an amazing year for Paul Koech, noteworthy for both quality and volume of races. When he ran that record in Central Park he was incredibly fit, just one of 26 races he did that year, winning 11 of them:

3rd, Cross del Campaccio 12-K, 36:17, 06-Jan

1st, Kenyan Armed Forces XC, 11-K, 36:31, 25-Jan

1st, Kenyan XC Championships, 12-K, 34:56, 15-Feb

1st, Nairobi Int'l XC, 12-K, 35:03, 22-Feb

4th, World Cross, 12-K, 35:23, 23-Mar

1st, Cooper River Bridge Run, 10-K, 27:57, 05-Apr

1st, Carlsbad 5000, 5-K, 13:15, 13-Apr

2nd, Vancouver Sun Run, 10-K, 27:56, 20-Apr

1st, Trevira Twosome, 10-K, 28:10 CR, 26-Apr

3rd, Osaka GP, 5000m, 13:10.29, 10-May

2nd, Kenyan Armed Forces Champs, 5000m, 13:34.0, 07-Jun

1st, Kenyan Armed Forces Champs, 10,000m, 28:03.2, 06-Jun

1st, Kenyan Championships, 10,000m, 28:20.0, 27-Jun

2nd, DN Galan, 5000m, 13:00.13, 07-Jul

9th, Nice GP, 3000m, 7:35.23, 19-Jul

6th, Weltklasse, 5000m, 12:54.70, 13-Aug

5th, World Championships Heat 1, 10,000m, 28:13.25, 03-Aug

4th, World Championships Final, 10,000m, 27:30.39, 06-Aug

2nd, Van Damme Memorial, 10,000m, 26:36.26, 22-Aug

2nd, ISTAF Berlin, 5000m, 12:56.59, 26-Aug

7th, Rieti, 2000m, 5:01.92, 03-Sep

3rd, IAAF GP Final, 5000m, 13:10.77, 13-Sep

1st, Dam to Dam, 10 Mi., 44:45, 21-Sep

1st, Cross Int'l del "Chocolate Y El Vino", 9 km, 26:19, 23-Nov

3rd, XIV Cross Internacional Valle de Llodio, 9.95 km, 30:55, 30-Nov

1st, VXI Cross Internacional de la Constitucion, 10.1 km, 07-Dec

David Monti, Race Results Weekly

With or without yesterday's race it should be apparent that Ritz is capable of a very low 27 10,000m on the track at the very least with a shot at breaking 27.

His performance yesterday doesn't change any of that.