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Wayne B
Commentary on Lambie 12/13/2006 1:55PM - in reply to strike one Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
What if we look at this slightly differently?


Ms Saalfield wrote:
Shame on you, and on your editors, for endorsing and sustaining what can only be called a blatant form of the prejudice we have seen far too much of in the coverage of American track and field in recent years.

Are we to infer from your text that Lambie, who trains seriously and consistently, would have been the winner of the race if only a runner born with the genetic advantages of a Kenyan hadn't run away with her race (and stolen her success)?


There seems to be an assumption by many that Kenyans are innately better runners, and we are only competing for second (or third, etc.). Why has this inferiority complex among American (and western) runners developed?

Legendary coach Arthur Lydiard was noted for his belief that there are champions everywhere. He espoused these beliefs a half-century ago in New Zealand and proceeded to coach "his boys" to multiple Olympic golds. Beating the Kenyans can be done.

We do begin with a societal handicap. When Johnny (or Becky) is driven to school every day in Mommy's SUV, there is some training lost. I've heard people say, "We've engineered exercise out of our lives." It's true. The training value of outdoor play (and especially of multiple hours of it daily) is almost gone from American society today.

Kenyan kids grow up running. Many of them look at their national heroes, and who is it they look up to? Kip Keino, Paul Tergat, Lornah Kiplagat, etc. Who do American kids look up to? Football players, baseball players, and basketball players. There are a few who look up to runners, but the usually doesn't happen until their high school years.

The Kenyans train harder and because their national heroes are runners and because other sports don't skim the cream, the best athletes become professional runners. When a Kenyan child arrives in high school, they've often been informall training for a decade by running or walking to school and by play. How much more aerobic development do they have at the start? I can't really say, but I'm sure it's significant. They then run in school, and some of their schools are virtually "farm teams" for the American collegiate system.

All this said, if, as I believe, there is no inherent genetic advantage that the Kenyans have, the difference comes down to two factors: training (applied consistently over years) and desire. The two go hand in hand. If we put a million kids into general athletic programs very young, even if it's just elimination of school busses and were to reduce the number getting taken away by soccer, football, etc. We might compete successfully with the Kenyans. It is a game of numbers, and because we don't ever get many of the kids to run consistently, we lose and they win.

Simply put, Kipyego won the race by a wide margin because she's one of the best to come out of Kenya AND she's likely run regularly for most of two decades (yes, much of it informally) AND she may well work harder at it than even someone such as Lambie. The result, she's got greater abilities than the best we can offer. Do you want to change it? Then quit griping and start mentoring kids to run and stay fit.
Fat Old Man
RE: Idiot's commentary on Lambie 12/13/2006 3:14PM - in reply to williej Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Hilarious stuff. Since when is "Kenyan" a race? Clearly, she must be joking. I, for one, am laughing my human flesh-coloured ass off.
i asked this yesterday
RE: Idiot's commentary on Lambie 12/13/2006 4:10PM - in reply to kartelite Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
NATHAN JOHNSON! WELCOME BACK!
say what???
RE: Idiot's commentary on Lambie 12/13/2006 4:43PM - in reply to pedophile Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
What is this supposed to mean??? What coach are you talking about???
Yoh Mama
RE: Idiot's commentary on Lambie 12/13/2006 5:59PM - in reply to dean moriarty Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
How is Nilsson a Swede ? Just because she won last year and is not American ? Or Sally how is a Kenyan. Just because she won this year and is not American ? Fact is America has always relied on immigrants to re-new itself. Without the millions of people from south of the border, America would be in terrible shape now from the mismanaged deficit spending on so many governnment programs. Right this moment, millions of immigrant families are adding billions of dollars in value to the American standard of living. Immigrants are net-producers, paying taxes, contributing soldiers, laborers, and professionals to America.
okey dokey
RE: Idiot's commentary on Lambie 12/13/2006 6:16PM - in reply to Yoh Mama Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Nilsson and Kipyego are students, not "immigrants".
Peter the Great
RE: Idiot's commentary on Lambie 12/13/2006 6:22PM - in reply to Yoh Mama Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Yoh Mama wrote:

How is Nilsson a Swede ? Just because she won last year and is not American ? Or Sally how is a Kenyan. Just because she won this year and is not American ? Fact is America has always relied on immigrants to re-new itself. Without the millions of people from south of the border, America would be in terrible shape now from the mismanaged deficit spending on so many governnment programs. Right this moment, millions of immigrant families are adding billions of dollars in value to the American standard of living. Immigrants are net-producers, paying taxes, contributing soldiers, laborers, and professionals to America.



Agreed with okey dokey. They are just attending class here, not becoming citizens...
chuck d
RE: Idiot's commentary on Lambie 12/13/2006 7:59PM - in reply to ROSEANNE SAALFIELD Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
flood her e-mail
RE: Idiot's commentary on Lambie 12/14/2006 9:48AM - in reply to chuck d Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I think it's time to flood her e-mail letting her know that she's the racist.
Frank D
RE: Idiot's commentary on Lambie 12/14/2006 12:07PM - in reply to chuck d Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Odd how her bio mentions that her father is Irish.
Frank BH
RE: Idiot's commentary on Lambie 12/14/2006 12:08PM - in reply to chuck d Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Odd how her bio mentions that her father is Irish.
BH Frank
RE: Idiot's commentary on Lambie 12/14/2006 12:09PM - in reply to Frank BH Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Odd how her bio mentions that her father is Irish.
kartelite
RE: Idiot's commentary on Lambie 12/14/2006 12:41PM - in reply to BH Frank Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
That lady is quite a hypocrite. And I don't think it can be stressed how stupid. Some people aren't happy unless they're complaining about something, which is a shame.

It is standard practice to put someone's hometown when mentioning them in an athletics article (as our brilliant bitch did), but in the case they're from another country then that country should be mentioned as well.

On another note, I don't think it's racist to assert that Kenyans have better genes for running. Is it also racist to say that they have better genes for darker skin? How about being thin-boned? And for having high oxygen uptake?

The statement "Oh he must be good because he is Kenyan" is ignorant and stereotypical, but I don't even think that can be called "racist."

Finally to the poster above, the reason Nilsson, Kipyego, et al. are not called "Americans" but Swedes, Kenyans, etc. is because they are not Americans! Not everyone in the world, or even America, is American! But I guess I am probably "racist" for saying that. I mean when I was studying abroad, I didn't suddenly become a Hungarian because I spent a semester there. I understand that concepts like this can be difficult for some people, but if you take a few hours and think really hard it might start making sense.
ungabunga
RE: Idiot's commentary on Lambie 12/14/2006 2:23PM - in reply to williej Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
ya that rosanne sounds like see rubs herself with a heinze ketchup bottle. there are too many fagots in those small towns.
her bio....
RE: Idiot's commentary on Lambie 12/14/2006 2:29PM - in reply to ungabunga Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
haha, radclife... i knew she was into carpet one way or another
sr sr
RE: Idiot's commentary on Lambie 12/14/2006 2:35PM - in reply to her bio.... Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

branch harvidian wrote:

There are some real fools in this town, bunch of bleeding heart liberals. Many are so open minded that their brains have fallen out.

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that sums it up pretty well. and the women get tired of guys ignoring them that they turn to rug.
3dognight
RE: Idiot's commentary on Lambie 12/14/2006 2:44PM - in reply to dean moriarty Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Maybe she is not mentally ill, but we can tell she is a lesbian. "Women's track and field program." C'mon. Its a girls highschool team.

I am woman! Hear me roar.
Ya, like wtf??
RE: Idiot's commentary on Lambie 12/14/2006 2:49PM - in reply to chuck d Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Here the female puppet – in this case, an ultra-feminine angel - and her consorts – artists’ mannequins, Mr. Potato Head - enacted a drama about sexual choices that suggested a greater degree of sexual freedom, autonomy, and self-esteem than perhaps either Mather or Modotti experienced in their own lives.

chuck d wrote:

check out this lady's website:

http://www.photographyatelier.org/atelier03/RoseannSaalfield/SaalfieldFrameSet.html

god i love google.
so cliftys
RE: Idiot's commentary on Lambie 12/15/2006 10:48AM - in reply to Ya, like wtf?? Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
If you are that worried about a Kenyan beating you on supposed "genetic advantages" maybe you should train harder so you can beat them.

But the letter has nothing to do with it. I am pretty sure that woman's letter to the editor doesn't know shit about running.
what???
RE: Commentary on Lambie 12/15/2006 2:40PM - in reply to Wayne B Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Wayne B wrote:

They then run in school, and some of their schools are virtually "farm teams" for the American collegiate system.




what are the names of the Kenyan schools that are "farm teams" for the american collegiate system? ive never heard of this and was wondering what schools you were talking about.
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